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Many people are sensitive to chlorella. I use it regularly, but it is one that some just don't tolerate. It is not uncommon.
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Scott, dr. K. says the opposite, if I remember well, that very few people are chlorella intolerant. I heard that about a year ago, if my memory is good.
I know this is a cold herb by TCM, so could that be that many people don't test good because it will chill you?
That the problem is usually on the amount.
I thought chlorella was doing bad to me for weeks, if not months, until the naturoapth measured the amount (by the hundreds) and then, my 'sensitivity' disappeared.
I don't doubt though that there are a few that are sensitive to it (as to anything else), but that's what I remember Dr. K. saying... ---
Nana Dubo and Alv, many thanks for your detailed answer. It is exciting to read about it, really.
As for the 'pull' sensations, I guess I know what you mean, Alv. I get more like pain sensations, and it is usually something being unblocked, then starting to release toxins.
The only 'proof' of that is that the parts that suffer that 'pull' feeling won't get in trouble later with infections or pain. That is how I measured that the pull/ pain was beneficial.
My daughter is still testing for pollen allergies, but she's not having the symptoms now. I wonder if they will stop testing too. She is liberating heavy metals too as many infections seem to be surfacing (not lyme though, but strep, trich etc. She's taking about 4 times the amount of clhorella + bear garlic she usually takes.
thank you all for giving your insights! It make things a bit more clear for me!
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Received my 2nd set today. Shows industrial toxins, mostly pesticides and a wood preservative.
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In saying many, I am not suggesting a majority. But it is not uncommon to find people that are sensitive to chlorella and that don't test well for it with energetic testing.
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quote:Originally posted by lymeparfait: Received my 2nd set today. Shows industrial toxins, mostly pesticides and a wood preservative.
Will post symptoms if any.
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That is interesting. I received my second report and drops and it showed exactly the same thing. It did say my gluten intolerence was cleared and when I tested it, it has not been cleared. Maybe in time.
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quote:Originally posted by m0joey: Maybe after the treatment is complete, gluten allergy wouldn't be there anymore, I don't know. I think it is definitely in the DNA because my father who is not sick has similar allergies to me for whatever reasons that built up through the generations: lack of oxidation, emotions, toxins, etc.
I'm not holding my breath over AI clearing my gluten issues either. My otherwise healthy brother is also intolerant.
He had a test done that showed he inherited 2 gluten-intolerant genes -1 from each of our parents (sorry, don't know the name of the lab).
My feeling is that AI can resolve 'pseudo' allergies (disregulations) but perhaps not 'real' allergies that are hardwired into the DNA.
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I am certain that the AI is very therapeutic at the least. After I started round 3, my energetic doc had to treat me for chemicals in my blood. As soon as I started round 4, she had to do the same thing again. In fact, the toxicity of the chemicals was at 50% above what it should be in my blood. That is right around the level of my heavy metals about a month ago (it's now 20-30%)
I'm honestly not fazed much by the fact that I still have expressed allergies. My previous post wasn't bashing the treatment.. just saying that people shouldn't expect to be eating gluten, sugar, dairy again after 2 weeks of treatment. I'm more interested in the overall disease that results from dysregulation, and it seems thus far that the AI is able to provide information to the body that no other treatment has.
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Scott anyone? Can anyone now doing the AI drops eat gluten yet?
I have other family members with gluten intolerance too but part of me thinks we all could have gotten Lyme disease passed down to us from one relative. I have been bitten after that. I still have hopes of being able to eat a little bit of gluten some day. Like a donut a pizza some bread some real pasta in Italy, brownies and other gluten fantasies.
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Having briefly read this thread , I would like to add some personal observations. This is just a brief appearance by myself and I will go back into retirement after I hit the ``send'' button.
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Not all dysregulations or allergies are found during the first AI testing. As AI testing continues through the many different body systems, more are found and more are corrected as testing continues. Reprogramming/Clearing/Correcting the allergies or dysregulations or errors stored in the electromagnetic system does not mean all the accumulated toxins are then gone from the body instantly, as expressed by someone here. The correction is made by correcting the polarities.
As the Immune system then starts to recognize the metals, fungi, mold, and thousands of environmental toxins, and as the emotional releases start to happen, the body builds new regulation pathways, and starts to dispose of the toxins. It no longer tries to hide them, adding more burden to the body, as it has done probably for many many years as we took medicines and substances the body did not know what to do with. Some of these made us ill.
As the wheat is again acceptable as a good basic food, when the polarity has been adjusted during the correcting process, the leaky gut can eventually start to heal and the toxins are no longer being released into the blood stream, entering the damaged brain blood barrier (toxic metals?) that put many of us on a wild neuro ride. The gut will take several months to heal, so I am told.
Certainly, all the toxins accumulated over many years, often since birth, are not expelled overnight. Some of them are, but it will take weeks, months and for some longer before the effects can be fully felt. Sometimes it may be the industrial chemical that is contained in the wheat food that has not been cleared yet!! If all the toxins were to head for the exits at once, we would probably die in the process. We have masterful organs, but they do have limited capacity.
I was aware from my training with Dr. K., but still surprised how many emotional blockages we seem to brush under the rug over our lifetime and the number of conflicts and and inherited toxins we can store from our ancestors. I suppose -- just as we inherit the blue or brown eyes, certain talents, we inherit some of their conflicts that were probably passed down to them by earlier generations. All these are engraved as an electromagnetic pattern in our DNA and cause us to respond in certain ways, sometimes hanging on to toxins that will eventually cause us to become chronically ill. As some and eventually all these are found via the AI therapy and the errors corrected, healing can begin. Spirit, soul, body.
Photons are not used in the AI therapy process (PSP = Polarity Signature Programming) It is merely a process of finding the errors and adjusting of the polarities throughout the whole system.
I know from experience when using photons in the past, which I no longer do, many toxins are being mobilized. That is when I also learned on my own body that, if the body does not recognize them, i.e. when allergic to any of them, these toxins are then merely shifted around within the system and stored. Even though I had been very well for many years, I started to become very ill, with many unpleasant neurological problems.
If the body does not recognize any of these mobilized toxins (metals, chemicals, fungi, etc.), i.e. we are allergic to them, as became obvious to me because we started to feel worse and worse, I realized that these are merely shifted from one place to the other to be deposited in any body compartment available. As some time passed, I became very frightened and very disillusioned, as I was going from very well to worse very rapidly. My husband lost all mobility literally from one day to the next, and could no longer walk at all or put a spoon to his mouth. Today he shuffled a deck of cards and played solitaire. This is what happens as the regulation circles are being changed with AI.
We had not taken the AI test at that time yet. Now I know that all the IV's, the pills, the supplements many of which we were allergic to at the DNA level, could not possibly bring the results we wanted. It became very obvious to me that for myself and my husband I had caused an avalanche within our bodies which only started with the application of biophotons (with or without nosodes) and I became very worried, started my search and found AI.
Sometimes certain chemicals are combined with certain foods and cause allergic responses. All need to be found and corrected.
I compare our own situation to one particular MS case that was treated successfully with AI (from wheelchair to bicycle) where it took about a year for all the chaos in the system to be eliminated. Fortunately, the person was a younger person. The older the person, the more accumulation, the longer it takes to clear them over time. We are finding this out now. Nobody can forecast what is permanent - but we know synapses do regrow. All takes time and a lot of patience and hope, and continuing the drops.
The body is working day and night when the AI changes are taking place. Mainly at night when all other activity is absent. And for some the night is not long enough to accomplish all, so we felt very tired during the daytime. I can feel the effects of the drops within an hour of taking them. By using photons, I had mobilized an avalanche of toxins that basically could not find the backdoor to get out. I was allergic to most of them and did not know it. My husband had all the major ones - wheat, corn, soy. Now we know why all soy-based supplements didn't work before !!!!! Every time we took any, we stressed our body more.
For most people, the sequence in AI testing has to follow the different''wrong'' paths the body had taken over the years. I liken it to a traintrack - a blockage here, removal, taking another turn, a blockage there; it may take many turns and only very little and minor improvement before all blockages - allergies - dysfunctions - errors in the system are corrected. Sometimes the last blockage found, the last switch brings the turnaround. But the process has to go backwards the very same way as the dysregulations set in. If the body does not know how to handle a substance we take in, it stores it; the more, the worse. For some, benefits start immediately and/or partially as toxins can start to release. There is a huge amount of emotional clearing! Cry me a river.
A friend, just recently lab diagnosed with Lyme, is showing many improvements on AI drops, now bottle #3. Her old depression left with bottle #1. Her cat which she had to move to the basement because she became so allergic to it - is now back with her in the rest of the house. She is very excited and only concentrating on positives in her life, leaving the other behind - starting a vegetable garden and planting a tree! She has lost a couple of her major pain symptoms. She is much less concerned with Lyme at this point and doing what feels good.
We have a dynamic system, one part dependent on the other. I keep thinking of the bicycle I rode almost seventy years ago, with the dynamo on the wheel turning on my headlights!! If the dynamo didn't touch the wheel, or the wheel wasn't turning, no lights. If you stop after the first bottle, or second bottle, you probably will not reach the point where all errors have been found and eliminated to where the body can function unencumbered. So AI's mantra is ``keep taking the drops'' until your symptoms are gone or until they can no longer find any dysregulations when testing.
The first two or three rounds are the easiest. Getting rid of the most obvious problems. Then AI gets busy changing the polarity addressing the nervous system, the synapses, and so much more - most of it I do not understand and AI does not have the time to give me more than a few hours of lectures over the phone. I am very grateful for that. When all the vibrating sensations are finally gone every day and every night, that is all I care about at this moment. Luckily I am almost there. A lot of toxins exit through the eyes - mainly chemicals.
I am glad that I did not attempt KPU when I heard about it originally, and would not attempt that program as long as my system is not clear of dysregulations. I have heard years ago from Dr. K. that many people are allergic to zinc! But this is based on ART testing, not AI's testing method. We suffered enough due to not really understanding and knowing facts.
Our aim is to start eliminating the toxins and, extremely important, releasing the emotional conflicts and stored pain memories. AI seems to be one of the easiest psyche couches. The other day, I relived an event in my life from WWII. As I was sitting on the couch quietly one evening, this memory - like an old movie was running before my eyes: A 500 ton bomb falling near my home, accompanied by the sound of a tornado, knocking the air out of me for a moment - just as I lived through it more than sixty years ago. I clearly relived it -- my childhood friend sat next to me and my Mom across from me in the bunker underground - all of us the picture of horror. My Dad was the warden making sure all people reached the bunker on time.
It is quite common to relive old pains - marked in the DNA as an electromagnetic pattern from many years ago. All subjective - and it disappears within a short time. The hip pain that I experienced several years ago during a fall reappeared recently - that's all I need, so I thought - no, it disappeared totally after 3 days. The pain was tolerable, but I definitely remembered the accident. DNA memory removed.
AI is not concerned with the details of the emotional conflicts. It merely finds the blockages when testing and corrects them. The correct information is infused into the water. With the reprogramming, the allergies are lifted, the body starts to recognize the toxins, the memories, all the stuff it had been packing away somewhere in some body compartment without ever being able to eliminate them, thereby lowering our immunity and making us susceptible to any microorganisms, Lyme, parasites, viruses, endlessly. The body was not able to distinguish good from bad and accumulated toxin thereby damaging the terrain where many pathogens would be able to take up housekeeping safely. Dr. K. published about that in the nineties. Suggest you read it again - I had posted it many different times (``Heavy Metals and Chronic Disease'' during the ten years I had been posting on Lymenet.
I think I said it above, but will repeat it to respond to remarks about ``still retaining toxins'', thankfully, our body is a highly intelligent work of art. It knows that if it were to get rid of all toxins and unwanted medicines we had accumulated over a lifetime all at once after taking a few drops of informed water, it would not get us well, but kill us instead. For further protection, the body seems to grow fungi, but we often then become allergic to fungi, mold, etc. These allergies were lifted with the first AI test, but again it will take time for the die-off. Our organs only have limited capacities.
I have often heard it said - it took years to accumulate, it will take time to get rid of it. And the longer the system had to live with it, the longer it will take to get it out. Age plays a role - .Biological information does not work at the molecular level, but rather via the electromagnetic imprint (Polarity Signature Programming = PSP).
It doesn't matter much to try to figure out which allergy causes what -- rather, per AI, it is the combination of all errors that cause the problems; these same errors causing different problems for different people. We are unique.
So I don't expect instant rewards, but a few, savoring even the very the small ones as little as they may be, until the system can shake itself out and improve step by little step every day, with every drop. With AI, I have found that it often means 4 steps forward, three steps back. But we still gain the one with every move. Like a fever, it has to reach the highest point before it can do the repair. My husband is doing just that. AI confirms that this is often so. All body systems are addressed, as you can tell by studying your first test results that contains all the important details. They will not mention many of these in future tests, because it would be way too cumbersome to do that every time. The just go on and find.
For some people it will take three months, for some people it will take a year, with checkups/controls the following year.
The main message for me: when trying to mobilize toxins in our system through any means (medicines, biophotons, herbs, physical/structural treatments, exercise) it will not bring total success or any success as long as the immune system does not recognize the toxins that are being released, as long as it is allergic to any of them. If we stir things up, try to mobilize toxins through the different means, while the immune system does not recognize them as a toxin or misinterprets any, it is forced to stashing them away in any available body compartment, joint, organ, etc. No gain this way, just more misery now or down the road and another aching joint. So getting rid of these dysfunctions, allergic reactions, reprogramming, in my mind, should be done before anything else. All else causes added stress and weakens and robs the system of more energy and resources. That is what we finally figured out. I have talked about this before.
I had learned many years ago from Dr. K. that if allergic to a substance, the body does not know how to get rid of it.\ It also causes us to be unable to absorb certain substances properly. If a wheat sensitivity, hidden or known, lasting long enough, to damage the small intestines, many become iron deficient, because the gut is damaged by the allergy and will not be able to absorb nutrients the way it should I was not aware of how many we really had been dealing with most of our lives. ART did not detect them at the DNA level.
Now through AI, I learned that even the worst, wheat allergies, can be eliminated through DNA corrections permanently. They have never had a case in many years where a wheat allergy had to be treated again once it has been corrected. We can then eat all the wheat we want and even brush our teeth with wheat-containing toothpaste, or eat the sausage containing wheat, or eat the eggs from chicken who live on grain, and then no longer be stressing our Autonomic Nervous System. Live and learn, and learn more.
Sometimes chemicals are part of any food and if that is the case, all have to be found and treated. That means all the layers in the system have to be tested and errors found.
All the above stems from my own more recent observations and asking questions and learning. Even the memory pattern of Lyme is engraved in the DNA - while the real bugs are long gone. I would like them to stay ``gone'' and no longer make the idea of Lyme my constant companion. Therefore I shall now go back to my beloved retirement from anything called Lyme. We are doing nothing but the AI therapy until we get the'' all clear'' . My husband will probably take a year or longer. Chaos in the system.
We are not doing KPU while some of the energetic blockages remain, because I do not want to force any allergic toxins into the system before they are all dealt with. And I am certain that when we are done with AI, we will not have to worry about any blocked pathways. Because that is what AI is all about. It takes time. Life has become quite simple with 3x5 drops of ``informed'' water a day for a couple of weeks. The break in between is nice, but the body keeps working with the new knowledge - that I can feel.
Take care.
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P.P.S. and please note, no, I don't get paid by anyone, and I have nothing to sell but goodwill. I am also wearing a bulletproof ricocheting vest and have a spam filter!
Thank you for some of the nice notes I received in recent months. I apologize for not having been very good at answering.
From my observation, most commonly found dysregulations among people who suffer from chronic Lyme or chronic ailments are:
Wheat/Gluten/Gliadin (many children are born with these today) Corn Soy (This includes supplements and substances made from these ``foods''. My guess is that glutathione frequency also falls into this connection, as do many of the soy originating supplements,phosphatydil cholines, lecithin, etc. etc. I have long wondered why we don't have enough glutathione? You may want to check this out yourself and see what you find out. I have been wondering about this for a while)\
Most fungi and mold, penicillins Copper Lead Nickel Mercury Many chemical substance groups - any of the some 60,000 we are exposed to daily (I have discovered that for me chemicals/neurotoxins cause most the burning and the vibrating sensations). Testing positive for a number of chemicals - means Groups of chemicals, not a single chemical substance.
Unresolved emotional conflicts from present life and ancestors, including miasms TB, syph type, yersinia, etc. Many energetic blockages caused by the above and combinations of the above, including nerve/synapse problems, GI blockages, organ blockages, all being addressed by AI over time. Only some can be addressed with every test and bottle. Testing positive for a number of chemicals - means Groups of chemicals, not a single chemical substance. Energetic blockages caused by unresolved emotional conflicts of present and inherited from ancestors.
Finding the cause.
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Thank you for spelling all of that out for us. Much better job than I could have done. So glad you dropped by!
This is why I said I am leaning toward this as a stand alone therapy.
Repair the damage, get the systems working properly and the body can do what it is supposed to do.
Someone asked if anyone is able to eat gluten yet. YES!!
5 months ago if I even looked at a slice of bread I was in trouble - eggs joined the club along with dairy.
Today I am having a "home alone day" and have been eating a little crazy for me. Just killed off a mug of java chip ice cream while watching the ball game.
This morning I enjoyed three eggs and brown rice toast.
I east pizza on occasion, and burgers complete with bun!
My normal diet consists of quite healthy food but now that I can eat these things..... well you understand.
I am still healing my gut so I don't go crazy with these foods but I am able to eat them without a problem.
Thanks Gigi
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I did round one of AI in January and it said I cleared gluten. It is now May and I still cannot eat gluten. I am on round 3 now, but I think it will take the gut a long time to heal.
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Gigi thank you for the reply. It gives me food for thought.
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Gigi - thanks for coming back and sharing more info on AI.
Some questions for all who have done Bionic treatment and are doing AI:
Can the Bionic and AI be used concurrently? I assume some of you are currently overlapping both of these treatments. Or have you stopped using photons while doing AI? I understand the course of AI can be quite long, so are you alternating modalities?
I know some people are going to be concerned about whether AI should be completed before beginning Bionic treatment. It sounds like that is what Gigi is advocating, although might that not be practical for some people? (e.g. those with raging infections that need to be controlled by some type of killer - abx, herbs, etc.)
As always, isn't energetic testing the best tool to determine the ideal treatment order for each individual?
Opinions, please...
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I am not doing bionic treatments while doing A I.
I test everything, including the A I drops. The first remedy I could only take 1 x 3 but have been able to do five drops since then.
The drops are definitely an individual treatment. The information in the drops are for you alone. As a dear friend recently said to me "one persons lyme or babesia etc., is not another persons".
When the two weeks are up they test to no longer take. I have hung on to my old ones and they always test no once I am finished. Could just be me.
Gluten - as Gigi explained, there are many other ingredients in there - chemicals or groups of things that could be the cause.
One of the chemicals a lot of us showed an allergy to is one that has mercury in it that they use in grain silos.
Might not be just gluten, something in a particular oil? Could be many things.
I have been free of lyme for 8 months. The people in the lab at A I can find none. Metals, fungus, yeast and chemicals are on their way out. I prefer to let them leave at their own pace rather than use killers and chelators.
I used them all in the past when the allergies were all there - like fanning the fire.
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A couple of things Gigi said specifically that made my ears prick up....
``ART did not detect them at the DNA level.'' (She was speaking here about allergies and sensitivities.)
So, does this mean that ART testing simply CANNOT `see' these problems at all - ever - or does this mean that ART techniques can be modified - perhaps the right questions asked - to reveal these problems? And if ART is incapable of detecting these susceptibilities at the DNA level, then does the same hold true for ANY type of muscle testing or dowsing?
``Even the memory pattern of Lyme is engraved in the DNA - while the real bugs are long gone.''
Which is why, IMHO, antibiotic treatment will always have it's limitations in a certain subset of the population, even at this point in time. And perhaps more importantly, future generations may inherit dysfunctions associated with the Lyme `complex', even if the bacteria were eliminated from the planet yesterday. Just something to consider if you have kids. I'll always believe that in some energetic way, I inherited `Lyme' from my father.
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Question to people who have not started AI on the full dose of 5 drops, three times a day:
If you start at lower dose, do you still stop after 2 weeks, or 2 weeks after you reach full dose?
If I could go back, I would finish AI before I started the Bionic. Especially with your (and my) issues, the bionic will may improve your symptoms slightly, but might also make you a lot worse.
Think about it this way.. I treated with the bionic aggressively for about 4 months, barely improved and actually regressed in some ways.... now I'm treating emotions & on round 4 of AI and have improved noticeably. In retrospect, the decision is easy.
No matter what tools we use, the product of all our analysis will be to want to kill infections. If the underlying problems aren't corrected, the milieu will continue to be distorted and be hospitable to pathogenic forms of bacteria/viruses/fungus. In essence we're just two- and three-folding our suffering in exchange for a few months of remission. Being patient and giving your body the correct information first pays off in the long run.
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I am not going to disagree with Joey, but I would like to know what treating aggressively with the bionic means? The bionic is not to be used aggressively after you have done the initial treatments from what I understand.
Take Nanadubo who benefited from the bionic and is now using the AI. She did not use the bionic aggressively once back from Germany.
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I'm sorry if I missed this question/answer...but can you do AI and abx or natural treatment for Lyme at the same time, or is that a bad idea???
I am very very interested in this for my son and I(and the rest of the family if we had the money right now).
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People respond differently to the bionic treatment for lyme. From what I gather, the people that benefited significantly from a handful of bionic treatments have more classical lyme disease with coinfections, and not so much chronic fatigue syndrome (defined by systemic anaerobic metabolism, postexertional malaise, orthostatic intolerance) For me, energetic tests didn't show much if any improvement for anything besides lyme, so I began to treat those other infections which were just as pressing as lyme itself with the bionic. This meant avg 4x/week.
Yes in retrospect this was too much, so I can't say if I would have regressed if I did 1x-2x/week (per Dr. W's revised recommendations). But I can say with a high degree of certainty that neither approach would have been enough to kill off my bugs when the anaerobic metabolism isn't addressed (too easy for them to come back).
Both changing anaerobic metabolism to aerobic (HBOT, ozone, valkion etc) and treating underlying allergies have to do with changing the milieu into a healthy one.
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in regards to doing the a-i drops before doing the bionic...and this would only be my opinion... when doing bionic, you must not be on abx. i think the same goes for a-i drops. there has been some talk saying that it might be a mistake to do the bionic first. i think that statement would be wrong. i am not taking the a-i drops, though. yet, i did do the bionic treatments. in my meager opinion, to go off of the abx to treat with a-i would be dangerous. the lyme is the nastiest of all of our toxins and bugs. the metals and allergies and dysfunctions do not replicate like the lyme buggers do. i would think it would be of upmost importance to stop the lyme in its tracks asap. that is why we take the abx in the first place. to unpeel the layers, you need to start on the outside, with the most obvious and damaging symptoms/illnesses. and, as we should know here on lymenet- the worst is the lyme. the bionic does stop the lyme for most people. then the rest can be taken care of while the lyme has been tko'd.
just my opinion. i understand why we get sick with lyme (ie, coinfections, dna dysfunctions, etc). but- we had them before the lyme got us sick and we were living life ok, no? i don't think that something like a-i would stop lyme from replicating and spreading throughout the body while doing just a-i. that long-term approach could still allow the bugs to do their thing. again, i will probably get flamed for saying this- but i really think that it must be stressed that you need to kill that lyme first so it doesn't get worse!
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I would have ideally done AI drops first and photons later. The photons released many toxins, metals, etc. that the body may not know how to properly handle/excrete prior to AI. So, my thought (and no one knows) is that AI then Bionic would have been my ideal order.
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Could some of you (Scott, Joey...) answer my question about whether you are interleaving treatments with the Bionic while doing AI treatment?
Since both of them are relatively long-term treatments, trying to figure out the best way to stage them (along with other treatments) isn't easy.
Doing AI first may be ideal, but it is encouraging that everyone who has done the Bionic first and then AI is doing well now. So it may work either way.
Thanks!
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I hope you read my previous post. yes I am doing better now but I certainly took a roundabout way to get here.
I am barely using the bionic now despite still having bugs aplenty to deal with due to the likelihood, as scott said, that it would just shuffle around the toxins or bugs.
I feel much more comfortable resuming bionic treatment after AI is finished...if it is still necessary then
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I have done Bionic treatments while on AI. I personally feel comfortable doing it and energetically, it seems ok for me. That said, it is generally not advised as I understand.
Doing Bionic first was a bit bumpy, but I have not had the opportunity to do it the other order to compare.
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Thanks Gigi for your nice and detailed post. I think I got the general idea!
-- NYJohn, I guess I understand what you mean. I was also with high load of borrelia that were literally eating me up alive and I wouldn't be able to probably survive any other long term treatment without lowering borrelia load FAST.
I guess there are different types of people, different diseases. Many people have a sort of low grade but chronic infection, with milder symptoms, than it would be probably best to do the opposite, first AI then BIonic to help clear die off toxins...
but in a case like mine, where symptoms grew exponentially every day when I got active borrelia, I wonder how much I was going to be able to wait and see my body changing with AI but not using killers.
In any case, loading the system with toxins by overkilling is never a good idea. No matter what killing method we use. Instead of going forward, we go backward, that's almost certain!
A possible idea of protocol for the high load germ people could be a combination of the two?
Some AI drops, then in between AI bottles, get a Bionic session, then again back to AI after a while and so on? Just an idea...
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That's what I was thinking (alternating therapies), and it sounds like several people are are doing exactly that. I'm sure it is best to space the modalities out as much as possible so you don't have them overriding each other.
Thanks Scott and Joey for your responses - they were helpful. It is difficult to figure out the best way to try these new treatments.
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i was saying in my case, i was getting worse every week with the lyme, so i needed to kill it fast, or at least stop the rapid progression of getting worse. i think that if i had stopped the abx for a long-term treatment with a-i, i would have been at a high risk for more neurological damage by the lyme, and also risking going into deeper depression and despair about my deterioration. i have yet to do the a-i, and perhaps i did stir up some things with the bionic treatment, but i am very glad i was able to do it and get myself off of the abx, which were not only killing my bank account but were also adding more toxins to my body by the day. i could feel the abx hurting me. i figured that if i can kill the bb, which was stressing my body and mind out so horribly, then my body, assisted by other less invasive approaches (such as a-i, homeopathy, etc) can then save its energy to work on the rest of my issues. if the a-i were to take me many months to realign things, prior to attacking the lyme directly, i don't know if i would have been able to make it..physically or mentally. my spirits were down and i needed to know i was about to heal. and the treatments in germany brought me out of some serious pains both body and mind. now i feel i am ready to sort out the rest. yes, i still have moments as some symptoms creep back here and there, but things are now able and ready to be worked out, and i feel i am moving forward and leaving more behind. i am thankful for those who are using the a-i approach are having such good luck with it and can share their experiences with us.
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I think it makes sense to alternate too, that is was I am planning to do, although i havent started AI yet. I think in my case too I dont think that I could wait for months and months without specifically treating the infections.
Having said that I did another energetic therapy, which is similar to AI called Field Control Therapy for 5 months prior to having photon therapy with the Bionic. Though I did feel the remedies were quite strong and I had a lot of detox effects from them and also some improvements, I hadnt made an awful lot of progress overall with FCT after 5 months. Though 5 months is not a very long time.
However I do wonder if they did help to pave the way and unblock some things possibly contributing to my initial improvement from the photon therapy.
The remedies work in a similar way helping the body to get rid of toxins including metals on a DNA level, though they dont address allergies specifically like AI does.
I remember just a few days prior to my first initial significant boost in energy from photon (2 weeks after my 5th photon treatment) I took another course of FCT remedies and coincidentally, or maybe not, I had all sorts of pains around my liver and in various lymph areas as if some kind of release was taking place, and then a couple of days later had the biggest boost of energy I hadnt had in a long time which lasted about 4 days. I basically completely stopped having adrenal crashes, which was unheard of in my case, having severe adrenal insufficiency.
It could just be coincidence and I cant prove it but I feel the FCT energetic remedies may have helped my body to release the toxins stirred up by the photon therapy.
I stopped doing FCT (to start NES instead) and also again perhaps coincidentally I havent made as much progress and been able to sustain that good response though this could be due to a number of reasons.
Good luck Carry, I hope having the AI test is worth it for you and the drops help!! I'll be sending off for mine in a few weeks.
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Thanks for all the reports by users - very helpful. It's essential for those of us assessing the AI treatment before trying it that we know what OTHER treatments are being used at the same time. Seems to me like some of these `other' treatments could dramatically affect the outcome.
By their very nature, the AI drops are dynamic or energetic treatments, acting on levels that go beyond simple physical action. If they are able to subdue miasms, they must also be very LONG-acting and DEEP-acting upon the vital force of the person.
This means that there really isn't any time `between' rounds of the drops. Just because you are not actively taking the drops doesn't mean that treatment has stopped. The action of the AI drops continues.
Homeopathic remedies are like this, also; certain long and deep-acting remedies have a potential action of 60 days or longer. The effects of some other short-acting remedies are gone in 1-2 days. Each remedy can disrupt certain disease processes in the person, just like that same remedy can be disrupted or antidoted (nullified) by certain other specific remedies. On the other hand, certain remedies may be complementary to one another.
I would be EXTREMELY selective about any treatments I did while on the AI protocol, especially those which act above the `physical' level. If you start mixing `dynamic' therapies, there's no telling what you might end up with down the road. You could end up totally or partially antidoting the AI drops, or reducing the long-term effects, or speeding up the action of a process that should act slowly, or altering the natural focus or direction of healing of the AI drops...... who knows.
Taking some binders to help mop up released toxins or metals is one thing.... but I really don't know what category biophoton therapy falls into. Seems like it acts on levels above the physical, but I really don't know.
All I know is...... anyone who does additional treatments during the time they are taking the AI drops should qualify their assessment of AI accordingly. This is the only way the information will be helpful to those considering the AI treatment plan.
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My daughter and I have started the AI drops first before the bionic, we may be one of the first on lymenet doing it this way, as we had to cancel our bionic/Germany trip.
We do not have CFS, and for comparision sake, we are on the healthier side related to symptoms.
But do have all the common EBV's, Candida, strep, mycoplasma, toxoplasmosis, etc in active states. I also have acquired lupus, which tests very active.
We are getting better all the time after starting the AI therapy. Neither of us have any lyme showing up energetically. We also do not have any lyme showing up in my DNA with the AI therapy. (I questioned AI about my results).
I also do not have any lyme showing up in my igenex bloodwork either! Don't want to spend the money on my daughter with Igenex again now, but I would be interested to get her tested just to know if it was free as well on that test. (previously we were both very positive/active with lyme and co with igenex)
The lyme was released at the same time we started the drops, and previous to the drops,we were also working on emotional issues by several means.
so it's hard to know which thing we did was the catalyst for lyme to be released, (AI, rife, natural protocols, prayer and healing service, emotional release therapy, botanicals, forgiveness) I think it was a combo of things above, and the deep personal desire to be open to healing with no expectations, prior to AI.
But the antibiotics we originally were on, did not remove the lyme. ABX only did give us some relief of symptoms, until the herxes. ABX did clear the RSMF, and Ehrlichiosis, or maybe push it so deep it does not test now. Then we stopped ABX, and started to detox and do natural things to prepare for the bionic treatment.
but as far as lyme being gone and all the symptoms gone, it happened and I will not question the exact how, but accept the gift!
For those here questioning their ability to get off abx, I know it is hard to compare to others online.
But I recommend working with a ND who does ART, or a good muscle tester, that can help you RIFE, or do something naturally to bring the load of lyme and co's down, before attempting the AI treatment. That way your may be more comfortable and feel better physically while starting the AI.
As far as continued treatments with AI:
My daughter does still test positive for bartonella by ART, and never through blood work, so no ABX ever for bart from her original LLMD.
So we have decided to treat her with some natural remedies for Bart,(tested with ART and biotenser) during her two weeks break from the AI drops.
She has had herxes during the two weeks off. And one last fever/flu type herx so far for a day.
I have been told by the AI folks, that taking any antibiotics would be detrimental. As they are absorbed, and create added stress to the body as it is trying to regulate.
"It won't effect the drops doing their work, as the drops are at the DNA level, and the antibiotics are not, but it will create more disregulations, and cause the body more stress. It is counterproductive. There is no reason to take the antibiotics" , AI says.
Also, AI has told me, do not take any natural remedies that have been energized with frequencies! This will disrupt the frequencies that AI drops have and confuse your body. Garlic, and other natural things are ok if not infused with frequencies.
This is true as well for any frequency machine. We cannot use any frequencies or be near running Rife machines when we are on the AI drops. So no Bionic 880 treatments as well while on the AI therapy and no bionic treatments during the therapy breaks, as the regulation work is still being done on breaks, says AI.
KPU: my problem
I am doing the KPU protocol, as I started this on my AI break, as my ND ART tested me for this.
Originally, I was planning on doing the KPU therapy before starting the AI therapy...but my ND read my results wrong, and I started the AI, before finding out that I had major detox issues, that my intuition always said I had!
Also my urine test showed I was very positive for KPU. I too was concerned that it may cause more disregulation, and not be necessary while I was doing the AI. But I am also concerned, that if I do not detox well, what is happening to my re-circulating toxins, that are being removed with the AI, if they are not detoxing naturally?
I thank GIGI for her info about the KPU, but I am still in a quandry about continuing the KPU or just leaving it all until after the AI is comlete?
I was never comtemplating doing any treatment other than AI, until AI was complete.
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Truthfinder, very good post!
LP and others, when I emailed AI some weeks back to ask if you can be on abx during AI treatment, the reply simply said it can be done 'at all times', so I assume that there is no hard and fast rule about not being on abx, just that absorption of the drops will be better without the drugs??
I had decided to stay on abx at least for round 1 of drops and then reassess.
Joey [love your blog by the way!] ,I was diagnosed originally [many years ago] with ME/CFS so, as with you, my Lyme involves a lot of weakness and fatigue amongst the many other symptoms. I am very encouraged to know that you are improving, both for your own sake and selfishly, because it gives me hope!
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If you didn't see it on A I's website, you can subscribe to their newsletter and translate it.
It's a good way to understand more and read Mr. G's thoughts on many things.
The memory of things can linger long after the body recognizes a substance for what it is.
When I was very ill and could only manage some days to pop ezekeal bagels into the toaster, all the while moaning about how sick I was - there is a emotional factor to all of these issues that A I works with as well.
The invisible along with the visible.
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ZMummy, your detox symptoms are interesting, especially the blackheads that turn yellow! I'll watch out for them when I start!
Has anyone who has been on the AI drops for longer noticed any weight changes, as I believe that allergies do cause weight gain or loss?
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No weight changes. Acne increase - yes. Another person I know very significant acne increase.
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Oh, thanks, Carry, for posting about staying on abx and what AI said.... I'll pass that on to someone who was just asking about that.....
Wow, Zombie - that's amazing about your reactions.
Thanks everyone for the updates.
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ZM--Dr. Saul Pressman says that ear discharge from ozone insufflation is a preferred route of toxins leaving the body and can continue for months to years after beginning insufflation. So that is very good to hear!
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Dear Friends,
I just received my 3rd round of AI drops.
During the "break," I've taken some Diflucan for possible yeast, as I was on zithromax for about 8 months or so. I also rearranged some of the supplements I was already taking into the KPU protocol--I only had to add Manganese and increase zinc a notch or two.
I'm taking the 5 methylation factors, which help with detoxing, and chlorella. I also took some intestinal detox, but had no major action from that.
I have suddenly been wanting to do a gall stone cleanse, but now will wait until I'm done with this two weeks of drops.
This test came back with 11 unidentified or unrecognized substances as reacting.
The only biological test I did--as Herr Grundmeyer asked for any test that related to Lyme, which he said was now gone--was CD 57. It went from 36 (where it had stayed for over a year) to 48--a 33% increase.
Having better days now.
Best,
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Good post, Cass A : good news about your CD57 result and especially that you are having better days.
I had my first test results back on Friday [only 3 days after the sample was posted from UK!] and have a few questions for others doing AI:
Did others find that the first sections up to the food and other substances were entirely abnormal? With one exception, mine were all over 7.4 [with 10 as completely blocked] and one [dysfunction/acute blocks in secondary energy] was 9.9.
In the substances section, I had the usual suspects: wheat, corn, gluten soy, 3 penicillium forms and 3 mucor forms, no industrial toxins and the usual metals ..lead, mercury, copper and nickel].
Incorrect cell polarity 72%], 6 energetic blocks from the subconscious and 9 'inherited burdens [eg war experiences] from parents and grandparents.
Lots of blocks on the spine, 3 glands [pineal, thyroid and pancreas] and enzyme dysfunction.
Like ZM I had all 4 genetic toxins: anyone know what Psonirum is? The bacterial and viral sections were blank, but perhaps they will show on subsequent rounds...was this typical of others' results on round 1?
Hope nobody minds the detail; I tried to keep it short, but couldn't think of any other way of swapping info.
I am going away for a week in early June, so have told Herr G that I will be ordering the drops on my return.
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Wow, more excellent information....
Carry, Psorinum is a 'Scabies nosode' - Psora is one of the 4 main miasms..... here's a description of Psorinum symptoms in just one Materia Medica (book of remedies):
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Thanks for the explanationof Psorinum and for the link, Tracy. I identify with many of the symptoms described on your link, but hopefully not all of them [especially not all th foul odours]! Gruesome!
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Ha, ha - yes, few people will have ALL the symptoms of any miasm - especially those with 'mixed miasms' - and there is certainly comfort in that.
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The pattern I have observed is those with 3 or 4 of the miasms seem to be the sickest. In seeing probably a dozen of these results now, the pattern seems pretty clear. Correcting them should also be a significant benefit. I am about to send off for round 6 this week.
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Thanks, Scott, that's very encourageing: good luck with your next round,
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