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Because I never actually gave them an update of my symptoms. Got lazy about it to be honest.
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My experiences to date:
Tired or extreme energy
GI issues are resolving
Very old vertical ridges on fingernails going away
My skin is soft and smooth, wrinkles and all
Detoxing at my own bodies rate and more easily
Sweating more
Face is breaking out
Anxiety a thing of the past
Yeast seems to be resolved
I think a lot of fungus has moved out of my head and sinuses
Some days have been rough but I am feeling quite good
I can eat the foods I had been allergic to as long as I don't over do it - gut needs to heal more
Everything changes day to day
Someone mentioned that anyone with a knowledge of chemistry would see this is bunk - not exact words.
I read it to my husband who does know chemistry and he said they may be correct about molecules but there is more out there than chemistry in the universe.
If you have watched "The Living Maxtrix" you will hear from many science experts that energetic medicine will be the medicine of the future.
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Started round three.
More chemicals have been found in me and my daughter.
I am now getting acne...I"ve never had it before.
Daughters' acne had cleared during the two week break, but now is blooming again with round three.
Also, emotional releases with her.
My eyes crust in the morning, like I"m eliminating more toxins. And my joints are swelling more than normal.
My nails are growing for the first time in years. They have been very thin and brittle. Now are improving.
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I am still confused whether you can take binders such as zeolite while doing AI or wait until the period between rounds of AI or wait until you have totally finished AI to do the binders?
And what about vitamin supplements. The main ones I take are vitamin D and the omegas and milk thistle. Occasionally the biotensor says to the multivitamin or vitamin B, but not regularly.
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Ping and Hiker, I've been wondering along the same lines: it certainly takes an act of courage to cut yourself off from years of multiple supplements!
I am going to have handy zeolites, charcoal and Jarrow formulas' Toxguard Heavy Metal Detox [Pectasol Chelation Complex] for when I think metals are released.
As for other supplements, I'm thinking about keeping on with magnesium, maybe digestive enzymes and basic liver and kidney support, unless told otherwise!
What about probiotics? Are people taking them whilst on the therapy?
My first round of drops has been sent out and I'm in UK, so I will probably be starting at the weekend.
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The acne has been sporadically bad for me. (Also never an issue before). It's still coming out even though I'm done with treatment.. we only have so many routes of elimination, and the skin is our largest organ. Only makes sense.
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I have done three round of AI already. The third round showed the same amount of imbalances as the second round, but they didn't say if they were the same imbalances or different ones.
I e-mailed Mr. G this morning as did a friend of mine, but let's share what he says. He does not speak English well, so I did the e-mail in German and said to write in German and I will use the google translator.
As I said before I take very few supplements now and am more curious about whether I can take zeolite with AI.
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When I asked Mr. G about organ support and binders during round one he said they were fine once I started releasing things, which he didn't think was happening yet back then.
Now I have used them with round 3 & 4 but away from the drops by a couple of hours.
As I wrote early on, I cleared the incorrect information for foods, metals, molds, fungus and chemicals with round 1.
2,3, and 4 have been newly found chemicals and blockages.
One of the pages of the first report speaks to the question about supplements.
I do take probiotics and am going to get betaglucan which gigi spoke of.
I tried Progurt for a spell but it was WAY too strong for me.
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Hi Nana, what was your Progurt experience? What was it that was too strong? Interested in learning more about that. Thanks
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Thanks for the info, Nanadubo.
I'll definitely share experiences, Ping, and good luck to you too when your drops arrive.
What did the first report say about supplements? It was all in German and I would hate to have to type it all into an internet translator if you know the answer. Yes, call me lazy!!
I am glad AI is working for you.
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Dear Hiker53,
I got a copy of the first report via email that was in English!
You could ask for that, rather than trying to translate the hard copy.
Best,
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I just hope this works. Even my allergies have allergies at the moment. I need a pollen free zone.
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Mr. G replied to my e-mail and said supplements and binders like zeolite were okay. However I am getting ready for round #4, so I don't know if that applies to each case.
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Addresses dysregulation but in a different way. Very interesting.
I'd love to hear what you all think of the concepts and I expect that this is not taken or discussed as NMT vs AI or visa versa.
I have had several sessions with strange "coincidental" shifts or just plain shifts, two which were most notible:
After T3 recognition was addressed, my body temp went up to normal range and my hair stopped fallin out. It dipped back lower and I added a glandular blend and 1 iodoral. Prior to NMT, I had used lugols on and off and thylolar. No help.
I experienced a strong traumatic response to an event that had me out emotionally for days. After my appt where my trauma pathway was addressed, the stong emotions that I seemed to be close to lost in were gone.
I am still half in disbelief.
The explanation and thoughts of Feinberg are extremely interesting.
Leslie Feinberg on using language to restore communication between the cells
NMT is a proprietary system of health care developed by Dr. Leslie S. Feinberg of Oregon, and is a result of his many years of studying the multitude of methods of energetic medicine. In 2002, a breakthrough in his research resulted in the creation of a powerful system of healing based on the marriage of accepted principles of western science with Traditional Chinese Medicine concepts.
NMT is directed at re-establishing the body's innate capacity to heal. When illness happens, it is often a result of factors that confuse the body's internal control center, the Autonomic Control System (ACS), making it impossible to regulate the body to a healthy state.
Some of the factors affecting the ACS include allergies, toxic agents, confusion in the autonomic nervous system, errors in sensitivity settings, environmental chemicals and pernicious synaptic patterns (PSP's). Dr. Feinberg defines PSP's as errors in recording of data in the nervous system that compromise regulation of body function. They are patterns of reacting set in the body, based on past experience and family patterns.
Leslie Feinberg's NMT, Neuromodulation Technique, is one of the most elegant and efficient pathways to healing developed to date. Working with consciousness at the quantum level, NMT helps create clear communication between the cells of the body, By reinstituting proper communication between the cells, the natural healing systems of the body can progress without impediment.
Feinberg says that NMT uses language from the practitioner directly to the client's body to determine where the breakdown in information systems is taking place. Using NMT protocols, the practitioner works with the quantum healing forces of the body to gain cooperation from the areas of the body, mind and soul that have fallen out of communication and the healing process follows - sometimes surprisingly quickly.
Learn the principles of the Feinberg Technique: The Feinberg Technique
For a full explanation of how the Feinberg Technique works click on the following link: The American Chiropractor
Related articles: Smithson Clinic
To find an MNT practitioner near you or to become a licensed practitioner, visit Dr. Feinberg's website at www.nmt.md
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R62, since you have expereinced this therapy, could you give a quick explanation how the instructions are given to the body, in a practitioner's office, how long does it take, how frequently are the treatments done, and what is the cost involved.
I have spent a half hour on the sites and still can't figure out how the treatment is actually done, what they use to do it, etc.
Appreciate your explanation.
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The scripts I cannot quote. They are long. My therapist seems very intuitive naturally. She uses her body to dowse during the queries, scripts.
You are familiar with how energetic testing is most responsive to the most specific questions? I think that is playing here.
The queries, scripts are very specific. When she ran my dna pathway, it included specifics I was familiar with and not familiar with going indepth into the methylation pathway for example.
At some point, though fascinating, I tend to give up trying to consciously keep up with the info in the query, script.
I wish there was an example of one available. I was impressed with how specific they are.
The query and instuctions, script are read from from the computer. But to get to a pathway, first the practioner asks questions as to what is going on and where you are symptomatically.
Then she makes a decision to test the relevance of addressing a pathway and asks this body if this pathway is beneficial to address and gets very specific even with that question.
She puts parameters on this such as the ability of the body to handle the effects of treatment.
Once settled on a pathway, the script begins. I have only had one in office visit. The rest have been long distance. So I cannot remember how many times she tests me in response to the scripts.
There is a point at the end of the script that she has me breath and pant. She measures the effect through the computer until I register 100% .. how this is accomplished I have no clue.
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I can add that the script, instruction, query, whatever addresses past, present, future, miasms. Also cellular level, dna.
The only touching that is involved is the muscle testing. For me, that was sometimes a hand on my arm while my therpist dowsed with her body while sitting by my side.
Questioning along the lines of: is the body recognizing the specific query such as T3 or a certain type of toxin then a script for the body.. and honestly I am drawing a blank other than remembering how specific.
This is not suppose to address your conscious mind, rather your unconscious mind which does rule your body.
30 minutes can do one or two pathways depending on how indepth that pathway gets.
I think cost varies among practioners. My cost is 65$ a visit. Every 3-4 weeks.. it takes time for one to process.
It is more expensive that AI in the long haul, I would think. To further clarify, I am not posting this to compare one better than the other, rather to gain and share insight and perspective into these types of therapies.
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If you get to about 27 minutes on the video, he gives an idea of how a session goes.
At about 38 minutes, he tells how effective NMT is for treating cavitations.
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R62, thank you. That explains some of it. When I have time, I will listen. *************************************************
We have done AI since January.
For the first time in years, my husband's blood pressure in many years is now tending to be normal around 120/75, without any medication. Not even licorice or hawthorne. It used to be so low that I could not test it. He fainted several times where I had to revive him with capsicum tincture and take him to ER last November.
For many years, for him it was also impossible to find a vein to do a blood draw - without going to very difficult areas. 4 pokes, arm baths, etc. used to be the rule, even in a hospital, except a special Dr.K nurse who had the hand for it. The last two draws this month took less than a few seconds.
So one of the major hurdles is being overcome - which of course means an improvement in oxygenation of the body. The terrain can revive where all the critters and toxins could hang out. This, with a few drops of informed water and no medication whatsoever is miraculous in an 83 year old.
There are other small changes in his major problem area - motoric. But as expected, it takes to get to the last error and the core to clear all dysregulations. He is not there yet.
We will see what the rest brings. We probably will be in this process (taking drops) for a few more months and are fully prepared to do that. I was told that the when the drops are finished when AI no longer can find an error in the DNA, the ability for the body to regulate again would of course continue and the body would shed some of the toxin, relearn some functions, as time goes on. In other words, errors removed, and now body can or is supposed to function again as it should have done before toxicity, infection, emotional loads, etc. Only as it has the chance and time to fully regulate again, will the health change. The tools to clean up are now there -- this is how I understand the therapy. Some people will have a quick breakthrough, some will take longer. The body took many years to arrive at the state where it is difficult to overcome infections. It took my husband some 83 years to accumulate all - lots of it in the Navy with heavy chemical exposure. He is clearing many chemicals along with emotional blockages right now! Body, soul, spirit.
So any of you you are doing the drops, hang in there and be patient. As long as you just feel a bit more tired or have any sense of something going on in your body, the body is responding to the drops. This is what we are told.
We are very happy with the results so far and will keep doing the drops. We are doing no other ``forced'' detoxification while on the drops, because the body is very busy building new regulation cycles and detoxing at the same time. Enough is enough. We only support of the systems/organs to clear. I think I described this in other posts.
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While I am at it, I would like to send Pyjorka a comment in response to hers of a couple days ago.
Pyjorka,
I always find it amusing when someone tells only what they know as THEIR truth! inspite of not being familiar with the subject at hand. Yet this thread exists and seems to be of interest to many.
I would welcome your making your opinion known, if you could prove to me that this therapy is not effective; and then of course your onesided way of looking at things should be made known. But as long as that proof is missing, it should not be an indication that the therapy is not effective and does not work, and worse, calling it a scam. It only is an indication that science still has its limitations. It makes me think (sadly) that you have not done enough research in this particular area, especially not as it relates to the AI Therapy and the whole philosophy behind it.
For this reason I feel your comments do not mean much and are unimportant at least to me, especially after experiencing the therapy for a number of months in very positive ways.
Good luck on your way and, as I have learned over time, investigate things twice and thoroughly before you entertain them.
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I also would like to add here that I have been asked some time ago by Mr. Grundmeyer whether I would, if the need arises, help translate for some people, if they have certain questions. I agreed that I would gladly help --- which in a way I have done all along already for people I care about. I do not get paid for this either, and I only help when there really is a language difficulty. I don't translate texts from their website and I do not translate medical reports, etc. It is too time-consuming and carries too much liability. I do not want a job -- I have plenty on my hands. My flower garden is also thirsty and the birds scream at the empty birdbaths!
You all have fun this summer - it is really going to start in a bit over a week. My veggie garden is finally in and I take a walk around with my grandson counting the blossoms on the tomato plants. It is so much fun and Lyme is fading further away day by day.
Take care.
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Dear Friends,
I'm currently in my 2-week wait before sending another sample (the fourth) in to Allergie-Immun.
Recently, I've had my blood pressure tested a couple of times. It USED to be so low that a nurse would look at me like, "how can she be sitting up and breathing?" 80 over 50--or lower--was not unusual.
Anyway, my blood pressure is now routinely in the normal range--a bit over 100 on top and about 70 or so on the bottom, as I recall.
Also, I'm having a normal range temperature (98.3-98.6) daily now. For YEARS, my highest temperature during the day was 97.8 or lower. Since subnormal temperature=thyroid dysregulation, I'm a happy person!
I definitely have more GOOD days, on average, than I had before I started these drops.
Still have tinnitus, need at least a one-hour nap each day, memory problems, and a lack of productivity.
I am also taking the vitamins and minerals for KPU treatment (but a bit lower on the zinc)--I was already taking everything except the Manganese! Due to seizures, which started up while treating for Lyme, it's not safe for me to stop these supplements.
I've just begun a parasite cleanse, working with my LLMD, and hope to be done with the first segment of that before the next set of drops arrives.
Hope to hear more reports from those taking the AI drops!
Best,
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Lovely to hear about those great changes, Cass A: I would love to get my temperature up and thyroid working properly, after my current thyrotoxicosis scare has died down.
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My cycle 1 drops arrived this morning, but I want to postpone starting them for probably about a week or at most 2] because of the thyrotoxicosis problems I'm having [ie. until worst symptoms die down].
Presumably, since thre is no requirement to store them in the fridge, there is no problem associated with keeping the drops for a bit longer than expected?
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One more time as the instruction don't seem clear. AI or 2 weeks and wait another 2 weeks to do the next saliva sample, or do you do the sample right after the first 2 weeks of drops?
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I send the next sample the day that I complete the round.
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Did anyone else get mostly high yellows and a few reds? I think I only had one thing in the normal range.
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Hobok, my instructions that arrived this am with this first round of drops say, 'Please send us a saliva sample about 2 weeks after you have stopped taking the drops'..... .......
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I know it could be made easier.
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Hobo, all the tests I have seen from people who have, had, or do not have Lyme yet, look very similar.
One of the main culprits is the wheat; and the 9.1 (present life unresolved conflicts); 9.2 Inherited conflicts; and 14.1. (Inherited toxins).
If you add up all the red x's and the red numbers -- all those together cause the problems.
When these are corrected with the drops, the green/yellow/reds will return to better when the body is able to start regulating again --- it can take months as long as the body keeps regulating in the right direction. The drops will continue to work long after you have finished.
One particular error does not cause one particular problem. It is the SUM of all which eventually can make us ill, unless resolved.
Don't worry about the conflicts - if you feel like crying, cry!!! Just learn to flow with it.
Take care.
P.S. Of all the some 15 tests I have seen, I was the only one that did not have any wheat or food allergies. Maybe this is the reason I was able to get over Lyme rather quickly, especially at my age. This is my take on it. Wheat intolerance, even hidden, was my husband's downfall, because it results in poor nutrient absorption for many years (leaky gut, etc.)
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Hi Gigi, just started the drops this week, very tired and I have a cold from doing to much in my ministry, but that will pass. I like the AI drops. Troy
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Hey Gigi I wasn't saying I had proof of anything. I don't have proof that eating dog poop won't help me get better either but I'm sure not going to try it, and I definitely won't pay someone for it. (sorry it sounds like I'm being a smart@SS I just pick an extreme analogy to make a point) Typically if you do something you do it in order to get a certain reaction. That's why it seems like a complete shot in the air to pay so much for water especially when the lab won't say how it is they infuse it with electricity... since they can't since it's not possible as far as anyone knows. So the real question I have is... what exactly are they doing? They won't say. Their rationalizations are typical of a strategy used by con artists, which is called disconnected metaphors. And when people use this strategy they teach others that don't understand the truth to use the same metaphors to get more business.
If I come up with my own theory that it might be possible to combine water with heat energy that will burn certain organisms when it comes in contact with them, yet I can't test it, prove it, or even figure out how to possible implement it.... then I would also just be selling people water.
So there's a big difference between a closed mind and simple logic and reason. But anyone that does this treatment can test it themselves. Finish the treatment then go get your food allergies tested at a lab that actually tests your food allergies with science. All I try to do is share my expertise when I can because I know I've needed direction from people in other fields of work since I don't know the things they've learned. I fell for a network marketing scam once cause I have no clue about that sort of thing, so no need for anyone to feel bad about figuring things out later than never.
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You mean the same food allergy testing that you can send to five different labs and get five different results?
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Hey SForsgren, about what you said, what you're talking about happens because different labs test different antibodies. There are IGg1 IGg2, IGg3, and IGg4, plus IGe. Once lab that tested mine all they put on the report is IGg, but when I call them they tell me it's IGg2 they test. Why the heck they seem to pick a random one and not specify it on the test? I dunno. But when choosing a lab to test try and find one that test all four IGg antibodies. Another thing that throws food testing off is the actual food itself because of where it's grown the soil chemistry can alter protein levels in the food. So yeah it's not perfect, but keep track of what the lab is actually testing and you can better keep track of results.
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Can you be on your treatments while doing AI?
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pryorka, as I understand, this is not always the case. Some have sent blinded samples from the same blood draw to the same lab for the same test and gotten widely varied results.
Science alone does not have a cure for us. Thus, some of us are looking beyond today's science to options that may or may not become tomorrow's.
I agree with ping. If you do not find this therapy rationale, please allow those of us using it with results to continue our discussion.
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Ping, my report months ago was in German but I went back and read my husbands which was more recent and in English.
They make recommendations regarding hydration, energy-relevant foods and supplements.
Since I don't know if these are specific to my husband, I'd rather not quote it but I suspect yours will say something similar.
I think that since our bodies are working so hard and overtime to make these regulations, he feels taking many different things may not be necessary or helpful - unless of course someone is on heart meds or the like.
He does tell us that if you need something to take it since the drops work on an entirely different level.
I was taking many, many different things when I started this in January and continued for a while.
I only take binders and organ support when tested as good thing and tweak things with this or that when it feels like it might be good.
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Well, the cold started coming on before I started the treatment, but I know the treatment is working, I am getting in the sauna now. I don't worry, I just trust. Troy
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Gigi, is your husband better, I am going to pray for him. Troy
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Ping, unless for an acute infection, they do not recommend abx. Of course, if someone needs an asthma drop or heart med to stay alive, that cannot be avoided. Many people here believe they cannot exist without abx -- I was the same way in the first few months -- and the decision is up to the individual. Some of the pharma drugs is what got us into trouble and all that plays a role in the clearing and returning the body to full regulation again.
Take care.
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R62, you might try requesting the sample report from the AI website.
That will give you an idea of what they test for and what level of detail is provided.
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P.S. Of all the some 15 tests I have seen, I was the only one that did not have any wheat or food allergies. Maybe this is the reason I was able to get over Lyme rather quickly, especially at my age. This is my take on it. Wheat intolerance, even hidden, was my husband's downfall, because it results in poor nutrient absorption for many years (leaky gut, etc.)
To this P.S. I should have added that unlike many others who have taken the test I also showed no inherited toxins. i.e. no miasms. They do play a large role in chronic problems - as I was told by AI.
There is a lot of information on literally every aspect of chronic situations, and you really have to make an effort to read some of it by using a translating engine. Literally, every question is answered. Start by translating the Fragen & Antwort section (Questions and Answers). Another good place to read is the Forum. German people are not very good at spilling their personal life on the internet, but you will get some good explanations if you pick some of the new dates. Remember, in German, the 9.6.09 means June 9.
You will also find some direct input from the AI Team responding to certain questions and general comments.
All the answers are there - even if the translation sounds a bit backward at times. You will get the general meaning of what is being written.
Please do make the effort. I don't care to get into battles of word with any naysayers and doubters - that train has left the station a long time ago.
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can someone PLEASE tell me if you can do AI while on herbs and Supps? I am having a HARD time going thorugh the thread because of cognitive and severe EMF sensitivety....
If someone could answer this I would greatly apprciate it....
To those who know me and my situation, do you think AI is worth it???
THANK YOU!
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Yes, you can. I am.
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