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My goodness, there are so many wonderful ideas and discussions going on in this thread, my head is spinning (again)! I'm not complaining - I like my head to spin.
Alv, I hope you are saving those ticks in some Vodka or whiskey, even if you don't have a use for them yet!
Asking the right questions when dowsing/energetic testing: Yes! This is one thing I learned long ago when attempting to learn to use a pendulum! I could not get by with a very general question. I can get an answer ONLY within the confines of the question I ask. I found that (for me), a question that is too broad will yield an answer that may have limited benefit. I always felt I had to ask a series of questions.
And along those same lines ... as Selma and others have said, not all `infections' we might get after a tick bite actually come from the tick. We already had them in some form.
For example, if I am `testing' a tick to see what infections it carries, shouldn't I also ask questions like ``What existing infections/conditions will become ACTIVE in me as a result of a bite from this tick?''
That might yield a whole different answer, right?
Using charts does sound very helpful indeed - a great way to narrow down the search. I'm sure this took a lot of your time, Alv. Sounds similar to those remedy tables Selma found in the medical pendulum book....
Joey, is this a `homeopathic' Roqueforti? Is this a Sanum remedy? Is this something in addition to the AI?
From Dr. K's article: The `Enderlein remedies' - are these the same as the `pleo' or Sanum remedies?
Your post made me think of my favorite saying (the 2nd time I've been reminded of it this week....hmmm):
``Harboring resentments is like drinking poison, and waiting for the other person to die.''
That describes just how destructive smoldering anger or conflict can be, and I totally believe that this can go back several generations.
Keep up the good work here! I hope somebody knows how to archive this thread....
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Yes Truthfinder!
My knwoledge of reading and exsploring products and sharing with other people since 5 years ago in curezone.com made me come to this point where I am today .
Also , all the trials and errors I have done trying EVERY product in the world and self eksperimenting on my own when I still did not know about lyme brought me where I am ( I have followed every thing that HULDA CLARCK had on her book and no body in ALL CUREZONE .com could do it -I tried it with no question -My heart beilived in it ONCE I READ that book )-It saved my life .
I felt like the doctors are trying to help but having the disease , eksperimenting and chasing the patterns...makes you more than a ekspert than the doctor itself..that is helping you based on treating the others but has not been on the same shoes as you you.
For me to get better ..I still need to work on with my body as my doctors job is done ( based on them I AM FINE not really ).As I know there is so many things I need to do as BRUSSELS is DOING for my immune to really get back in track .SO that is where my LLMD job is done.
I am glad that I did not give up as NOW I can really go ahead and treat myself..and I am sure that BRUSSELS is "CURED" by her doctor but she is doing so many things...that will really cure her for real .
TO my eksperience ...that I have meet many good doctors but I combined the protocolls that are based on MATTERS( as Science ) and MIND Power I found that using only one side would not have help me to this point.Combining YES.We are all diferent and priorities on treating a person it sure not be based on ONE FORMULA.
There are many unknowns in a equation in eash person and knowing which ones are most important efecting ones body and treating him /her based on that is the only way to get out of the SITUATION that him /her came into first place.
Also I have been using for 2 years non stop the pendulum.When I have had bloackages I knew I was not ready to be confident on it but I kept practicing beiliving that one day I would be able to reach the level that I would get the right answer .Biotensor was easier at that time.It is time that my efforts are paying off.
I recall Brussels continued and beilived on her test and I recall on how she found that "THE FLOWER " needed the "LOVE " and she gave it to her before she died - just by testing and her way of exsploring was testing alfabeticly .It was one of things that BRUSSELS inspired me .
I sent Brussels a material on how this metod has existed for centaries and only KINGS have had the luxyry of the benefits but has been used for many things in this world...finding water , medicine , ( WARS -locate the ships of the enemy in the sea just by using the map -I know is scary ...etc etc...making decision and even compatible people...etc ).
Once Lyme got in remission thinks got in higher level of my confidence.It took me almost 5 months HUNDREDS of hrs searching and building charts and practicing pendulum non stop ( only testing my friends to know about them it takes 2 hrs for one of them -no kidding ).Knowing the main issues I help them build up a protocoll.
I have build DETAIL ONES. It is exactly same logic as building a program in informatics that one thing leads to another even in more details( and when is unknown at least you find what group is classified and how many forms it has and what can treat it ).
I have created even charts of different treatments to jot down what really can eradicate it or reduce it at least and see the % of reductions.I go even into details in the diferent parts of the body .
I noticed that MUSLCE TESTING( art) does not show that the bug is completly eradicated rather that the system is not efected by it.But at least was for me the tool that brought me here.Pendulum sends me even in the highest level of knowing.
Over time searching many disease I was able to rebuild all my charts over and over.
I finally created detailed charts on even dosages, frequencies, clasifying the type of bacteria , detailing if that has more than one form etc etc.
Also I have created charts to find what really eradicates or reduces this or that infections or solve the problem.Timing of it.
Priority of treatment.I follow the path ...give the body what it wants at this time even though I could have many active infections or things going on.
I have seen that using other aproaches have sent me no where.The bugs communicate.I have noticed that alway metals , or chemicals, or bloackages , or emotions ...one of them is a gatekeeper to the others.If you do not go through it and find what is the priority you are stuck and go into the circle and retreatment accurs.
Consider it as ONE door leads to another otherwise you are lost and you go back and forth.
EMOTTIONS is the main issue for me -fact and PROVED and I KNOW for sure that that was the reason that open up the doors to LYME and other disease to exspand into my body.
I just have to give my life a diferent direction to find peace in order to overcome this disease.
As time goes by new questions arise.And the conclusions are rechecked and brought to a higher level.That is how I feel now.The posibilities to know are endlees...
NEVER NEVER GIVE UP !!!!
I always have been lead by KNOWLEDGE is the POWER!Having an open MIND , exsploring and learning every day of my life.I feel like I HAVE BEEN IN SCHOOL ALL MY LIFE AND STILL AM.
But I always loved school and challenge.This was my bigest challenge and I I did not give up with FULL BLOWN enchephalitis ( meningitis) encapacitated mental situation.
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HI Sparkle, thanks I will do. Just re your point about the liver and endocrine system...I think its very much two-way, when the liver is underfunctioning this can lead to poor amino acid synthesis and therefore less hormone production and also it puts more stress on the thyroid & adrenals to pick up the energy slack - I know when I did some liver flushes a few yrs ago my energy skyrocketed although it was only temporary.
Conversely in hypothyroidism & low adrenal states liver detoxification is slowed down considerably, esp in hypo where liver enzymes can rise and cholesterol can build up.
I noticed that when I took some thyroid meds (just thyroxine) for the first time in 2 yrs, 2 weeks ago, I passed dark urine which I hadnt done for I dont know how long. So it seems it immediately helped to push some toxins out which have probably been going around my system since starting photon therapy.
I believe that part of the reason I havent made as much progress with photon therapy is due to low hormones slowing down liver detoxification.
I guess if you just have to support all the systems dont you?
I think I should do some liver flushing soon too.
Hope you're feeling better.
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Thyroid and adrenal issues:
If the person has a low temperature, or the thyroid or adrenals test weak, be aware that the majority of adrenal issues involve excess cortisol.
"Adrenal exhaustion" is less common.
Consider testing for a need for Biotics ADHS which reduces cortisol, and for Biotics Meda-Stim which aids conversion of T4 to the active T3.
When I was very sick, I took T3 homeopathic to get back to producing T3. I haven't taken a look at cortisol. Maybe a better 'solution'?
I also did the iodine through skin (first through kelp, then I found out I got same results just rubbing iodine solutions for wounds)...
Thyroid, I think almost every lyme sufferer had to treat it one day. At least, that is what we see in lymenet.
Same as liver toxicity. No one escapes.
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I just did an Aloe Vera D20, testing good as antioxidant. One bottle of Aloe Vera will last then the next century to me...
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tracy -- can you freeze the ticks thaw them and then put them in alcohol. Just wondering if freezing preserves any of the energy signatures within the organism? Like alcohol. I wonder about this because of the emoto experiments with water and ice.
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Here's another viewpoint. Lyme over time toxifies the liver and by doing so affects the processing of t4 to t3. that cascades to adrenal fatigue and low thyroid production.
quote:Depressed liver function, due to a toxic or sluggish liver, can also influence the conversion of T4 to T3 via cytochrome P450 activity, resulting in low T3 levels (see my previous article on "Functional Medicine" for more information on systemic toxicity and hepatic function (DC, Vol 17, No.8, April 5, 1999, or at http://www.chiroweb.com/archives/17/08/04.html ). In general, the use of a combination of urinary excretion tests and morning axillary temperatures is far superior to serum studies alone, which miss many cases of mild hypothyroidism.
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In the same text Sparkle posted, there's a VERY interesting technique that unblocks things, called TWO POINTING.
"Two pointing is a useful technique. Let's say you have found that they have a stressed gallbladder. Press on the gallbladder and the arm goes weak. You have also noticed that if they press on their hysterectomy scar the arm goes weak. So we have them press on their scar and we press on the gallbladder at the same time and the arm goes strong! This shows that the scar is causing or contributing to the gallbladder problem."
This is a GOLDEN technique to find out blockages in our body. I use that almost every day, if not with me, with other people.
-- another very good tip is the PRIORITY TESTING that uses K-27 point. It works very well. Just hold your two fingers (thumb and index) there and ask 'which is better for me?' or something similar. If it doesn't work the first time, it will work the second time!
---- On metal chelation:
Cilantro D6 (home made) is sitll my main chelator. Pure tincture never tested for very long for me. I suspect that the homeopathic version is both stronger and goes deeper into areas that pure cilantro doesn't go.
It is testing good for quite some time, I'm having some metal release as I feel like herxing after it and need an uptake of chlorella.
It can also be rubbed on trigger points, skin, etc. But beware as it detoxes the brain, so not for chelator starters!!
Chlorella D6 tests good for my daughter. Not still for very long, but it tests as also helping to take metals off. She's on normal chlorella though, but her body still asks for this chlorella homeopathic (I mix 30% D3, 70% D6).
For me, it is not a big help though. My daughter so far never tested for cilantro, that I remember. She may be more in the beginner's phase from metal detox compared to me. I believe, most of her metals came from me (placenta and breastfeeding)...
I did the PESTICIDES vial yesterday for her, first time. She just drank loads of water and in the morning said her lip was better. We ate at friend's place and they used a sort of plant that tested HIGH in pesticides.
She ate just one little piece, and her lip got big and dark red a few moments after. It didn't clear until today!
I suspect her heavy metal load is very high, poor girl. I am going to target that thorough detox with her from now on. I suspect that is the main reason why she fell sick so fast after first tick bite ever, when she was 2.
Before, I was too sick to treat her or didn't have much experience, but now, here we go! I'm going to target all heavy metals first after reading the Five AAs from dr. K.
All children's diseases with A (autism, ADHD, allergies, asthma, atopic eczema and I forgot which else) come back to the same protocol involving heavy metal detoxification.
For autism, now he is stating that there's only ONE CAUSE. The cause is called Hg, mercury. That may be controversial, but that shows how much he believes mercury damages the brain and CNS.
His advice, never stop heavy metal detox until the child is healed. I decided to follow that to the line! I don't want to see her growing allergies every year as she's doing now. ----
Now that our infections are low profile again, we are only taking Magnesium homeopathic too. NO more orthomolecular stuff! No problem so far.
-- I don't know why, but the only thing we keep taking real is chlorella and Omega 3, which can be seen as 'food' more than supplements. The rest, for some reason, the homeopathic version in a specific dilution tests MUCH better than pure herb / or real substance.
I suppose that homeopathic things help our body to adjust to the problem, while mere supplementation makes us slave of them. Like CoQ10. Take it and your body will be needing it forever. Take the homeopathic version, specially if photooned, you won't need that FOREVER.
Besides, I DO feel homeopathy reaches much deeper in many more levels.
It is maybe because the infection side is solved? A few years ago, while I was still on herb-ONLY, I couldn't swear by homeopathy as I do now. I felt my body craved all those herbs and supplements!!
When I think about the reason, I am not sure what changed...
Perhaps the photons and dr. W.'s protocol (that is almost all homeopathic) helped my body understand the homeopathic message better than before. So does my daughter and the people I 'treat'...
Perhaps photons enhance homeopathy like others here were saying, even if NOT photooned.
Perhaps, when we get better, homeopathy works better?
I've notice this tendency that we all at home prefer homeopathy to the original substance in the last months. That is why I'm trying to wonder why. ---
AS for Hulda Clark, thanks for telling us your experience, Alv. I just saw dr. K. sells many HC books in his site in Great Britain!
Even the HC zapper.
I thought about you this afternoon, and I am really amazed with your will to live and get out of sickness, and how you developed all these testing charts DESPITE having been so sick.
I remember few years ago, you could barely understand what was written, and I couldn't understand what you said, not 100%.
It is great that you could find a bit your way out! You are an inspiration to others! You are still sick, but I am sure MUUCH better than before.
Thank your for having sent me so much info about your Rife machine, zapper, etc!!
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Tracy, yes the roquefortii is a SAnum remedy and all Enderlein he talks about are Sanum (that I know, as these are the only pleomorphic remedies that I know so far...).
Anyway, I never caught him talking about another company, so, I suppose these are Sanum exclusively.
The roquefortii version is called FORTAKEHL here in Europe, a very very useful remedy for GI issues. We are always coming back to it, specially when lyme gets active. It's a D5 dilution.
It is considered a foundation remedy, together with Quentakehl, Notakehl...
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Great info everyone! So much to consider...
I have to go out & do errands. For me the liver issue is up front & center right now. I am feeling better but I still have back pain from my liver.
I'm going to continue to detox in a variety of ways & I'm taking some liver supplements. At least I'm able to move around. My back pain was so bad I couldn't even walk - so, I am improving!
I may do liver flush #3 soon.
I do want to consider the thyroid issue after the liver. Also, mercury detox. This has been great info you have all posted!
Also - Alv, would you consider sharing your charts & info with us? I'd love to take a look at what you have put together.
I do graphic design... perhaps I could put your info together in a way that we can all use & post it on the web or in pdf form...
I'm not sure if there would be any issues with copywrite or ownership with you. We could discuss it further if you would like to share.
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Interesting way for intake of homeopathy, through breathing it!!
the roqueforti is one of the foundation remedies, as Brussels informed me: Quent, Fort, Not, etc.
I'm using it to treat fungus
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I'm not sure, Bob. But the longer you keep a tick frozen, the more `dessicated' and damaged it will become. I'd get it into alcohol and then use Dr. Bobber to test it.
Thanks, Alv. So, you are saying that anyone could use your `charts' - that they aren't `individualized' for you and your family? Maybe you and Sparkle should put together a book of `Therapeutic Dowsing Charts for Medical Conditions' or something!
Just a note - I had to abandon the Hecla-lava treatment for my tooth after about 3 days. Other things came up - another `cold' tried to get me, then my back went out - so, I lost any momentum with the remedy. I'll have to start over. My sensitive tooth will have to wait .....
Meanwhile, after thinking about the whole liver and gall bladder detox issues, and the fact that my bowels are simply REFUSING to move well, I started taking a `liver, gall bladder, and bowel' herb a few days ago. I've used this herb sparingly for years (after finding `sludge' in my gall bladder from taking Zelnorm, a drug for chronic constipation). It has a mild laxative effect on me, but helps to cleanse these organs, also.
Anyway, the herb is Oregon Grape Root (aka, Mountain Grape, Oregon Grapeholly, Oregon Barberry, Alegrita, Holly-leaved Barberry, California Barberry, Mahonia, Mountain Holly, Pepperidge, Sourberry, Sowberry, Yellow Root).
Here's the weird thing..... I found out last week-end at the Health Fair that I am definitely sliding into `insulin resistance' and/or diabetes. (This is actually consistent with my `constitution'.) Before I treat this aggressively on my own, I want some lab confirmation of what is going on and I have an appointment Monday with a new doc. (My great old doc retired.)
I don't think it's my pancreas - I think my cells simply aren't picking the insulin up and utilizing it. I'll try to nail that down. But if so.... this explains SO MUCH of what is going on with me.
But here's the weird thing..... I was reading about Oregon Grape Root and it said:
quote:Berberine (found in Oregon Grape, Barberry, Goldenseal, and the roots and bark of a number of plants) is now the focus of attention for use in diabetic care . In a report from Medical News Today ( Diabetes News/August, 2006), a collaboration of Chinese, Korean and Australian scientists at Sydney's Garvan Institute revealed that berberine could be a valuable new treatment for this disease, ...... [berberine is a powerful alkaloid, and was officially included in the United States Pharmacopoeia from 1905 to 1916].
How weird is that?
So, if I'm going to get a blood test done for diabetes/ insulin, I'd better stop taking this stuff or my tests will be `skewed'!
For anyone interested, here's a little about Oregon Grape Root:
quote:Oregon Grape is one of our most valuable herbs and thought to be unequalled in helping to purify the blood and liver of wastes and promoting a healthy gallbladder. It is also an effective antifungal and antibacterial . Moreover, Oregon Grape helps to treat many skin problems and ease digestive disorders....
Oregon Grape Root is probably unequalled as a corrector of liver secretions. The root purifies the blood and cleanses the liver by stimulating bile flow and releasing toxins. Some American herbalists believe that while strengthening the liver, it will also alleviate liver-related symptoms, such as jaundice, headache, toxic blood, poor digestion and gallbladder complaints. Oregon Grape helps the liver to metabolize wastes and toxins and has been said to be useful in the treatment of chronic hepatitis-B..... .
There are contraindications for this herb, so read up on it before you decide to try it. And too much of it will cause GI pain so be advised. One capsule a day is sometimes too much - it just depends on what I'm eating and how much I'm eating, etc. I just get the Solaray brand from Vitacost.
Ah, yes, Selma - I remember seeing the FORTAKEHL name in some of the Sanum literature I saw..... yes, Joey confirmed. Thanks.
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I think when I read the info here I will feel better but right now I am pretty devastated. I got the results of my detoxigenomic panel today and it seems I am completely screwed genetically. In addition to the Shoemaker "dreaded gene", "chronic of chronics gene" and the low msh gene... I have
Will glutathione, methylation support and herbs like oregon grape help? Are you all seeing this commonly with us chronic lyme people? I had a glutathione IV today and feel worse. I hope thats toxins moving out, which seemingly will not be bound in my intestines unless I take something because I have the "dreaded gene."
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Interesting about Oregon Grape Root... I studied about it a while back when you had to look in books & there was no internet! I read it was also good for herpes somewhere. So, it may even be anti-viral.
I don't like to think of being screwed up genetically or that there are "dreaded genes". It's just my perspective... I hope the person you saw has some ways to correct your "dreaded gene" issues, R62...
What did they suggest? It think the issue is that we live in a toxic environment with loads of stuff that is not mean to be around a human environment.
If you had a fish tank, would you pour nail polish remover in it? Is it the fish's fault that they can't detox nail polish remover? See my point...
If you have pet birds near the kitchen... if you use a teflon coated pan, the fumes from the teflon can kill it. Is it the bird's fault that he's not adapted to teflon?
Maybe I'm being nieve or uneducated? I just don't think it helps to feel that you are somehow inferior or screwed up since it may be problematic to detox.
I think there is always something we can do to adjust the balance. Genetics are not always written in stone.
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I was in shock.. better now.It explains alot. I do need glutathion, which has made a big difference for me IV.. seemingly that can be addressed with the suppositories. The rest diet and avoidance of certain drugs. Methylation has a protocol or two. Just so much to process and no where near ready (as far as I can see) for the photon therapy. Does validate what I already knew. Thanks, Sparkle. I am floowing your thread on methylation. thanks for starting that.
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Quote: The Bionic 880 device, which shines light into, and revives, diseased cells, causes a liberation of infections and toxins from these cells. This includes emotional toxins, because emotions are stored not only in the brain, but also in other cells of the body. Which means that anyone who is contemplating this treatment for Lyme should be aware that this process purges not only bugs, but also emotional toxins.
(Heal the Body, Heal the Mind)
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Robin - look at the thread I posted about 714X... It's pretty interesting!
I tried a homemade glutathione suppository last night. It was slightly unpleasant because it stung my butt a bit. Today, I was in more pain than usual. I'm not sure if it's a side effect of the suppository or that I didn't sleep well.
My liver situation does seem to be calming down. I'm gearing up for flush #3. I was going to do it this weekend but I may have to go out of town on Sunday for a fun trip to Charleston...
I can't decide - stay home & pass gall stones or go to Charleston? I'm serious... I'm really into trying to get well. I could do it on Monday but I'm expecting my period (sorry guys - I don't mean to be graphic but this is about health, right?). I don't want to go through both...
I really want to get those stones out!
Seems like it's not all that harmful to try the Yasko simplified protocol. I may consider it in time. It's really hard to know exactly which supplements can reverse poor genetic test results. The subject is very new & wide open. I don't know how accurate the theories are with all of this.
One thing - make sure the lab destroys your genetic materials & does not disclose your data. Some places actually sell or use the materials & the data.
I think I'm going to stick with my bobber. After going through all the BS with Lyme tests, I'm a bit skeptical of most everything these days.
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Sparkle--I would be shocked if you didn't have a methylation block. It's like KPU..whether it's written in the genes or not, by the time we get this sick it's expressed in just about all of us anyway.
Epigenetics: each genome block has 30,000 potential expressions..it's information outside of the genes that determine this. (Got this from Bruce Lipton)
If your bobber tests for the folapro, take it and continue taking it (but build up slowly--this is the limiting factor of detox with this protocol). Don't even test for b12 because it tastes great and we can't OD on it (Mercola says 25% of all americans are deficient in b12). YOu need intrinsic factor to utilize b12 optimally. With your detoxification issues you need phosphatidyl choline to bind neurotoxins and dissolve fats & cholesterols in the liver anyway. If you have sleep issues, you need to take seriphos (soy-free phosphatidyl serine) at night. The only thing left is TMG I think, so test for that. I think that covers the gist of it..
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I am following that thread too, Sparkle.:-)
Thank you for the reminder, Joey. 30,000 different expressions. I need to listen again. I still do not understand how the tests arrive at their conclusions.. this "gene" is correlated with this result???
My kids and I have been testing with our doctor for 6 phosphatidyl choline capsules at times.. generally 3. This might explain why.. thanks.
Sparkle, I have an appt with MP to see about further testing. Zyto as well. I am heavily considering the KPU test ( Its 50$) and the metimetrix stool test if the Zyto doesnt cover that. I would rather know whats going on and deal with it and move on. I have constant gut problems after 1 year off gluten and the way my body went down hill after my last round with abx... I am frightened. Tremors and ALS like symptoms AFTER treatment(and my genetic test mention that.. )
I have Christopher's liver cleanse, support here. I plan to consult with MP and my doctor and see if I should wait until I start methyation supps.. this one I liked because it seemed to address the gallbladder stones and bile duct (or so it said)
Then the Hulda Clark liver cleanse if it tests. I dont trust my own testing to figure this out on my own.
Oh.. I wonder if glutathione can make you feel worse for a good reason? I felt awful after my IV yesterday like I was herxing. It was 3 weeks since my last one. I dont remember that when I was getting them once a week. I do remember when I skipped a week, I had more creepies,tremors.
Thanks for the tips, Joey.
It seems the light lets loose everything that does not belong in the cells going by Connie's report.
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What has hit me is the possibility that because of my genetic inclinations and toxins exposure at a very early age,,,, that I may have been storing water soluable toxins my whole life. Heavy chemical and pesticide exposure.. deep south.. lots of insects.. our carpet was sprayed liberally for fleas (bartonella.. lyme.. ??) many times. Out side when mosquito trucks sprayed.. pesticides sprayed on our bodies.. cleaning without gloves.
My doctor has repeatedly gotten that my liver is problematic because of chemicals. We were both a little surprised.
I'm not sure Bb is my primary issue.
So it seems address the liver and start detoxing. And I am wondering how to do that with the photons.. are there nosodes for pesticides and chemicals? Perhaps the Zyto will have answers?
Considerng Rainville's laser kit.
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The light cannot be depended on to replace the light that is emitted from healthy cells. If that were the case, a few treatments with the bionic would cure all of us. But it's a good nudge to get us going in the right direction.
From watching The Living Matrix, therapies like the bionic belong in a class of therapies that get the body to re-organize information the way it should. Disease is essentially where an energetic field is missing or a distortion of information.
What I meant about the 30,000 genes is that some of us may not have been born with SNPs coding for methylation block, but pretty much all of us seem to have developed it either before or during the course of our illness. That's why I think it was an absolute crime on the part of Dr. Shoemaker to call anything a "dreaded" haplotype when gene expression may very well be dependent on information that is external from the cells. I personally know of several people with this that have recovered or are close.
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Yes there are nosodes for just about everything, although most of the U.S. sold ones are just vials with energetic imprints. biophotons may cause the release, but mopping up is much more labor-intensive than the release. Be prepared to chelate and bind several times a day. For the release however, it sounds like you would be a great candidate for AI based on your chemical load.
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Robin, thanks for posting your results. Without some kind of reference and explanation, I don't really know what it means, or which one is the `dreaded' gene' or the `chronic of chronics' gene, etc. It's been too long since I looked into all of this.
As Joey and Sparkle have suggested, I don't think any of us get here without some type of genetic susceptibility. Don't forget that genes can be switched `on' or `off' in response to certain triggers, so these test results are printed on paper, not written in stone. And what these tests DON'T reveal are the genetic superiorities you may have in other areas.
And, yes, there are remedies out there made from chemicals and pesticides. I'm not sure if all of them are available to the public in THIS country, though. But the `electronically generated' ones are (as Joey said).
Sparkle, same for me - I remember reading about Oregon Grape Root before there was an Internet for reference. I'm surprised that it isn't more widely known as a single herb.
RE glutathione: Didn't Bea Seibert say that the quality of glutathione can vary a lot between manufacturers?
And I wish Oxygenbabe were here to tell her story about glutathione IVs..... I don't think she would mind me telling this - in fact, she may have posted about it. I'll probably get it wrong... but apparently she had very negative reactions when she got IVs at one place, and good results from another. The kicker here is that she BROUGHT HER OWN PRODUCT to both places, so it couldn't have been the glutathione itself. (Boy, I hope I got that right, but that's what I remember.)
Sparkle, you are brave to do another cleanse! I'm not sure I'd have the tenacity that you do! BTW, did you do more coffee enemas in the meantime? I know you said that the first one reduced your pain......
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wouldn't using own blood with photons target the parasites?
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John, I guess yes, but only parasites in the blood, the ones that will be found in the blood.
it seems, for example, that not much borrelia is found in the blood according to dr. K...
Some GI parasites can be found in stools and one can also make nosodes from stools (I've been reading about that).
Intake of stool nosodes through photons look less bad than intake through the mouth...
You can do nosodes with everything originating from your body and that is an EXCELLENT way to treat infections or parasite infestation, in my opinion, because it is extremely personalized.
Be aware that a single spot of infection can contain more than one pathogen at a time. It could be caused by a bactery, but it can show fungi too altogether, exactly at the same spot. The same way that dead meat will have quite a LOT of pathogens eating it up. Or two strains of fungi at once, etc...
So you need just one auto-nosode to treat many pathogens, but all personalized. The nosodes will probably also contain antibodies your body created against these infections, it could contain some L-forms altogether, toxins related to critters or to your own tissues... So you treat a lot with one single autonosode!
I vote for autonosodes! But the reaction can be strong as with everything else.
The most 'difficult' is to find the right dilutions. Start with D dilutions, they are the ones that usually test for acute phase of infections.
--- Energetic imprinted vials, they are called here 'radionic' in Germany.
Bejoy got a machine that imprint things in water, which I believe, is how all radionic vials are made, and she's happy with it!
I would like to get some more of these vials in my hand to get them compared with real homeopathic dilutions to see...
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Great thread everyone, and I agree with you re the genes, Ive read some of Bruce Lipton too and have always been skeptical of the idea that genes control our destiny.
I guess testing for genes is a double-edged sword isnt it, it might be helpful to know on the one hand as it might partially explain poor detox but I agree with you Joey re Shoemaker, I think that even just telling someone that they have that particular 'dreaded' gene will just lead to fear that they are inevitably going to have problems, and that thought alone could have an effect on our body chemistry and on our cells and whether they 'expect' to get well or become ill. It also takes away our power to change things.
I've not had the Yasko testing done but I take some of the methylation supps, (Folapro and Intrinsi B12), as Joey says definitely start off low and see how you respond. When I started I had forgotten to start on the correct dose of 1/4 of a tablet and took 1 tablet of each instead and was a high as a kite for a few days as if I'd taken something else lol...and I also had some weird brain experiences and 'lost time' and then I realised that the pathway had speeded up way too fast!!
But from my reaction it was also very clear that I have a block and need those supps as my brain does feel a lot sharper and I feel less depressed esp on the Folapro.
From following the Yasko forums there seems to be different reactions to the different forms of B12 some people appear to tolerate methyl or hydroxy b12 better than others. I dont do too well on methyl b12, it seems to stir up mercury in me and I get headaches so have to be careful with that.
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If everything was in our blood, we would all be well by virtue of treating our blood. That is not the case for me and others that have used the Bionic. However, treating the blood is very useful for treating mutated bugs that can't be found in any vials.. these are bugs that are individual to your body.
You would greatly increase your chance of targeting parasites by treating blood, urine, sweat, feces, etc. They are everywhere. To me, the solution however isn't to deploy that big gun as a primary treatment...restore beneficial flora & oxygen and let the body regain control over parasites
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sparkle--how about alternating with a coffee enema? if you're really in that much pain, my gut feeling tells me you shouldn't be pushing your body like that
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Hi MOJOY!
I think you are right!
Sparkle !
When I was really that SICK , I had gallblader atacks.So painful and was too toxic.
I did though continuesly coffe enemas.I never ever USED a DRUG for PAINKILLER.If I have had to take a DRUG would have been only antibiotics -to reduce the inflamation to buy time as MY LIFE was IN LINE.
But LIVER flushes...reduced my B12 as that respores in your LIVER. I actually did 5 of them 2 weeks apart.My liver was killing me back than and I did not know that LYME and company was SO ACTIVE and they were all in BLOOD..imagine what was going on in my tissues ( pulled muscles non stop so inflamade) and knees ( swollowed up ) neck bumped and head ( felt like and orange was inside my skull).
I was so week to after I did the flushes..THEY helped me but also ...you need to see if you have a INFLAMATION in there ...and a severe parasitic infection going there.They bloock the biliary track and stop the biles from moving down.
LIVER flushes in this case will not make you better..without KILLING the large parasites in there.I got out TONS of STONES but ONLY when I followed HULDAS protocoll by the T.So I did liver flushes AFTER 6 months STRONG protocoll of doing PARASITES cleansing with the BIG GUNS.
I do not need Coffe enemas anymore.I still will do them when I try to do a strong protocoll that I feel I am toxic and need a painkiller and get them out FAST from MY BODY and I follow with a sauna as well and take binders.SO my herx last very short now.
I know that they my seem WEIRD to some people but they are so beneficial , as painkiller and detox and increase the chances of GLUTATHIONE..productions in the liver.
If you will do them do them ONLY in the morning.It will give you the same feeling as USULLY people look from a CUP of COFFE in the morning when they wake up.
FYI!!! Stones are created based on A DEAD parasitic infection based on Hulda and pushing and trying to get them out if you still have the source them ..will make you go in circle...
I would sugest you to do some major parasite cleansing than follow with 1 liver flush ..It will take time.You also can use the LIVER flushes FORMULA from DR SHULTZE .I have done them all 4 years ago.
They are gentle and easy .Do a google search .His orange juice mixed with olive oil garlic and rest( ginger , cayene) is very good as well.
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Lots of great info, again!
News flash - maybe we could try making a homeopathic remedy of the glutathione! I did a quick test & it came up positive! Then, we could ingest it with LEDs, as needed at the correct dilution. No need for IVs or suppositories.
Robin - my thoughts were the same re: glutathione... Maybe I was herxing from it? If you taste it, it's a bit sour. I'm sure the anal tissues are sensitive - so, it's a little uncomfortable.
They did do spraying in NJ when I was a kid. I have been exposed to lots of toxic stuff during my life, for sure. I am going to consider the Yasko simplified protocol. I'm going to worry about the chemicals after my liver is cleared.
The thing with methalyation is that it happens in various parts of the body - if I studied it correctly. It's responsible for lots of functions. It can be related to cancer, autism & probably lots of other illnesses. It's good to be aware of it.
I'm not sure if there are different ways to affect it. I read Sam-e is a big contributer to methylation, too. I'm going to have to review it all again.
I may do another coffee enema if it tests OK. I'm going to postpone the liver flush so I can go out of town tomorrow.
Tracy - It seemed to me that the only way out of the back/liver pain was to keep flushing. I think it was correct. I figured that the danger signs of having a gall stone stuck in a duct were - abdominal pain that lasts a few hours, nausea, fever, jaundice...
I didn't have any of those symptoms so it was OK to go (any of you guys remember the movie Contact with Jodie Foster - as opposed to Apocalypse Now & the guy in the helicopter- a bit of weird movie trivia...?).
I started taking some liver support herbs & lecithin. I'm not sure of the difference in phopatidyal (spelling?) choline & serine. I believe lecithin has the choline. I'm going to look into the serine. I also ordered some bile salts. I have to pick them up at the store.
i don't think you can address everything with LEDs & homeopathics. Some things are just more physical - like getting gall stones out. I just could not use the light when my liver was blocked up. I had pain in my shoulder blade & lower back - I thought it was the Lyme or some back problems. It was really from my liver.
If you use the light, you need to be physically clear to have the detox function properly. For me it was the liver, for others it may be the bowels, kidney, lymph, parasites, methylation, etc.
You need to be able to get rid of the toxins when they are released.... just my observation. The light & the remedies work on a more subtle level. If there are physical barriers - it won't be able to get out of the body.
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PS - I don't think I have a big parasite problem. I never noticed any coming out of me. I tested NO for them a few times. It may just be that it hasn't come up for me to detox that, yet.
I do see that when people do flushes - you can see the parasites coming out of you. I didn't see anything that I would be extremely concerned about.
I may go back & try the herbs & use a zapper at some point in the very near future. It's probably a good idea to do it regularly for everyone.
Another thing...
If you want to do a liver flush & you think it may be too harsh, maybe try using some herbal remedies that can dissolve or soften up the stones first for a bit.
In my case, I had no idea my liver was so clogged. I do seem to be coming through it all pretty nicely. I'm alot better now. It's not a cure but I do feel very different. I still have a ways to go with it. I'm not done with my liver flushing, yet.
I wanted to begin to detox with NDFplus but it's going to have to wait until my liver is functioning better.
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THe simplified protocol recommends all three forms of phosphatidyl. The complex has PS/PC/PE so you can just take that
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thanks for the replies! i've used blood + bb nosodes the whole time in germany and 3 treatments at home- 11.77/50%/120 sec but not in almost 2 months. my main symptoms still are muscle/tendon pains in mostly the shoulder blades and arms. sometimes in calfs. and muscle weakness. and the occasional heart palpitations. i *think* if i can get rid of these then i will have "put lyme behind me."
i just started taking more vitamins again, as i went a while without and was feeling depleted. dr w said not to take too much but definitely take lots of mag. so i am. he said that many people get themselves sick by taking too many vitamins.
i was drinking detox tea everyday, occasional burdock tincture, lots of garlic, and water...decaf green tea daily. i just started up chlorella+cilantro+garlic+ water + juices. and i eat an apple, sometimes 2, every day.
i know my lymph system is backed up. i can see it in the adult acne i developed following germany in jan/feb. i also started a lymph drainage tincture from quantum herbs today.
i don't plan on making/using too many nosodes- just auto with blood. apparently the urine is very powerful to use and can be dangerous! so i am staying away from that. i wish i could do a=i but i already started up a classical homeopathic approach. i am not sure if i will go back to photons or not.
i do have a muscle tester an hour from me that is very experienced. i will see him (and her, they are a duo) again in a week or 2.
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njohn- It sounds like you have a liver blockage... I have very similar issues as you.
Back & shoulder pain & clogged lymph are indicative of liver issues. You may want to look into it.
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sparkle- thank you for the reply- i guess i will down some milk thistle tea and hope for the best! and take more burdock root!
can you tell me, if the stools get lighter in color- is that a sign of congested/toxic liver?
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Ritchie Shoemaker tests for HLA types that do not (according to his research) process out, or process out well biotoxins: Mold, biological biotoxins or both.. the "dreaded gene" (as it is called) does not process (well) out both. There is another HLA gene or halotype that is labeled the "chronic of the chronics" (regarding lyme)and another labeled "low msh". All are HLA genotype tests.
The detoxigenomic test tests for genetics (Joey probably understands this better than me)... all in the liver and there abouts. These cover the Phase 1 and Phase 2 liver detox capacities. That's what I put the numbers out for.
(1) Cytochrome P-450 genes (there are 8 of them which have polymorphisms (defects) or not)
(drugs and even herbs are metabolized here. different genes seem to be associated with different drugs, herbs... also my gene polymorphisms are associated wit reuptake of adrenaline, dopamine and other neurotransmitters, which explains for one my postural orthostatic intolerance or hyperadrenergic dysautonomia)
Phase 2:
(1) Methylation Pathway (COMT) (2)Acetylation Pathway (6 genes for SLOW metabolizer) and 1 gene for FAST metabolizer) (3) Glutathione Conjugation (3 genes) (4)Oxidative Protection (3 genes)
++ means both chromosomes in the gene pair +- means one chromosome in the gene pair
Shoemaker test results for me mean supposedly I do not break down the toxins or tag them for breakdown. So, they can be reabsorbed back into the body via the intestines. Binders or CSM reqired.
Detoxigenomic results means I need to address methylation, glutathione, drugs or herbs that pass through my effected pathways. For example, artesmia, flagyl, malerone, St Johns Wort, and others are all metabolized (or not properly metabolized)through my effected pathway.
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Thank you for your supportive and encouraging words everyone. And all the great info!!!
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Whats the PE out of the PC and PS? I keep reading PC or PS from different sources.. so its all three? (Joey regarding simplified methylation protocol)
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Hey NYJOHN !
Seem that you have a strain of babs.I do have same symtoms.When you see that doctor..it will be good for you to take some ARTEMISIN with you and see if you are positive.
Ironicly if you do not have the right vial you can not kill it.I also found that THEILERIA MICROTU piroplasmosis have many stages.
That is the reson that when you test they have only the stage on blood and when you test with frequencies on RIFE I react to all of them .But the VIALS have cleared the stage on the BLOOD.
Does it make sense..That is why most people,strugle.But over time I noticed that it comes back.Than I jot down that I have piroplasmosis ( theileria) and in the muscle are only some of the stages.
I knew as HULDA CLARCK new exactly about BORRELIA and BABESIA long time ago.She would include that once the PARASITIC infections ( babs is in there) have reached other part of the body and are already in cyst form in the tissue they cause so much damages.
It was her that pushed me to look for somthing BIG going on in my body.He L CYSTINE and OZONATED OIL gave me the free pain feeling for two month(inspite of severe herxes every where in my body and brain ) .BUT I realized that I was dealing with somthing that HAD MANY STAGES and WAS WELL ESTABLISHED in my body.
Also I wanted to add that WHen I was in CUREZONE.COm I used and bought EVERY PRODUCT in the world.
There were all these people that have tick borne illness and still are in that forum.I recall one ( that is well known person and I can not release the name ) that keept trying liver flushes after liver flushes ( I call myself lucky that I identified LYME myself right after my 5 th liver flush) .
And finally I received a respond ( that was 3 years ago ) that she found she had lyme and coinfections.
Parasites do not have to be big enough to be seen.If you get a microscope there are plenty of them that still do not have a name on it.
THE DENTIST ( that wrote lately a book about SPIROCHETE ruinign and beeing the cause of dental problem) ..was searching with microscop the pathogens that his patients had in their mouth.
He was able to identify spitochetes..from the ones that moved very slow to the ones that were exstremely VIRULENT and also noticed many others HUNDREDS that HE SAID have no name for it yet.
That is why herbs come into place.If you test for them than it is really adresing something that we have no name.
I also justify the ART practitionars that they can not test you with somthing that they have no proof( vials) for .So sure you look like you have no pathogens..but if you test positive for artemisin and something that chases protozoals..than this is it.
I recall ALSO that HULDA inisted on one of her interview( I used and still take newsleters from what she shares) that she was not OK with JUST boosting the IMMUNE SYSTEM .
SHE was CITING like THIS"KILL THEM -detox all the chemicals , KILL them ALL , and the body will restore its own good bacteria by itself"
That is why I chase them as I do not want them to reproduce again .I have spoken with A.D the guy that produced teh zapper and was CURED twice from CANCER from her directly.
HE was the one I spoke in 2006 and was about to go to MEXICO ( as I have had cancer -ignorant doctors).
He was on herbs , detoxified his body got rid of the metals and root canals in his body and today he uses and zapper and once a week the maintanance protocoll of HULDA ( he zaps every day with a zapper simple one to break down the cycle of bugs) and he focused on detox and changed every thing about the way of living.
He is alive and HE is feeling better than when he was young.Boosting the immune system is one thing ..eradicating them IS VERY IMPORTANT.Do you know that they create shell protocetion for each other.The adult parasitic infections hide viuses inside.
It happened to me as WHEN I KILLED the ADULTS and I flushed my liver ( I was astonished -they could not be killed if you do not use OZONATED OIL and you will have a UNPRODUCTIVE flush) my viruses EXSPLODED and ALMOST KILLED me were chocking to death.
Again I was lucky that I found it FAST enough and people are still there at CUREZONE.Com exsplaining their symtoms..MOST of them are dealign with tick borne illnes..and they have NO IDEA.
I know that I feel that I am chasing them maybe more than others..but I do not want to accept to LIVE in HARMONY with them.I lived 2 months BEST MONTHS PAIN FREE FULL of energy that I never felt in 20 years maybe more..and than was lost gone and they came back as THEY WERE MANY.
I have tested with pendulym and I have found many types of protozoas...I can never see them unless I have a microscop..but when I can not find a VIAL I still treat them with RIFE.
So please ..do not think that adult parasites are the only one we should call parasite...all of them are..and the adults are the easiest to kill.
I hope that maybe my charts will help..I was astonished to find many things..MY ND and MY LLMD could not find.No body can go into so much details.
BUT if you test positive for antiparasitic..than this shows enough convincing answer that you have a cronic condition .
TESTING with ART with herbs will proff enough that you have somthing that your body is in need and need it strongly .
I test negative for ALMOST all the killers ..only left with antibabesia DRUGS and HERBS.AND I know I have it.
The VIAL of babs get cleared and comes back in a while.That sends me to figure out I am dealing with the stage and is more into it.My shoulder muscles and my thighs hurt.I also started having heavy legs and heel pains.
I found that I have a low load of WA-3 as well.THey never tested before as I was having antiparasitic non stop herbs in rotation .So sure it will never show positive.
LATELY they came up strongly .The test of herbs and drugs and RIFE confirmed.I was able to go further on which strain.
That is WHY I was not getting this thing on JUST MMS as I was dealing with only blood stage.
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The evolving stages of all bugs is why in addition to restoring immunity and normal flora, Dr. Saul Pressman recommend long-term use of ozone. Ozone is an indiscriminate killer, which he says also kills babs on contact, so instead of doing all these different targeted herbs which attack one stage but will not attack another, it makes sense (at least on a theoretical level) to use something like ozone to keep control of the bugs
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PE=phosphatidyl ethanolamine. Not as important as the other two I think, but all 3 together cover the whole range of phospholipids. Just learned the PC also gets converted to TMG, another necessary component of methylation. No wonder my doc wants me to take 3g of PC/day... neurotoxin binder, liver aid, and TMG precursor.
I recall Dr.G in LA uses IV phosphatidyl choline (with some other stuff) and IV glutathione as his two main methods of neurotoxin removal
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alv thanks for the reply. i was/am wondering about babesia. i did test "low positive" for it in june 08 with my llmd, ny dr h.. i was on mepron/art/abx for 9 months. they said i really don't have babs symptoms anymore by the time i went to germany. but i think i do still, maybe. so- i will get muscle tested with some artemisiae and see what happens. i will also go back to see my primary, who is also an llmd, who uses many iv's in his protocol for detox, etc.
have any of you used the product "oxy boost?" i am on it now, started about 5 days ago.
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Thanks, Joey. Do you (all) buy a specific PC brand? We are using Body Bio which is terribly expensive. My son is taking 6 a day.. keratosis, sand paper hands.. has been on Vaccinocleanse and anti parasite herbs.
Is there a source for ozonated olive oil or does one need a machine?
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Nature's Gift ozonated olive oil is sold by Dr. Pressman's company, Plasmafire. He talks about them being rubbed rather than ingested in his book however. I"m taking the rizols for now because they're targeted toward specific types of microbes.
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This is the person that I ordered.He also is a member in CUREZONE.COM that helps people.
His oil won the price in the products that have the exact oil that HULDA claims in her bool.(The products were checked in GERMANY and they found this one does the job).
I have used until lately even the one that you can rub on the skin.His oil is highly recomended.
I have thought many times to buy a ozonater but seems that a professionist can do it more correctly than a beginer.
Mojoy .I do not have any eksperience with OZONE thourgh saunas and I can not say anythig about it.Ozonated oil yes rubed or OZONATED olive oils from Dr K ..yes I have used them and have been pleased..
Internally they work better as they reach the stones and the nest where the BUGS hide in the liver.THERE IS NO BETTER way that I know so far that you can really get them from the liver out.
NYJOHN! TO me there is no such thing and little positive with babesia.If you have DUNCANI this is not little positive.It is hard to get rid of.
Also when they tested you they tested only what was in BLOOD.The protocoll that you were did not kill it only lowered it.That dosage has not worked.
You need to retreat it as you have had IV ozone right after treatment.SO you feed it up again so it has been activated.So think of retreating it.Babs thrives in oksigen.
YOU need to include ARTEMISIN from Dr Zh and if there is a cyst on the strain that you have you need a stronger protocoll. ALL I know is that DR J S says there is no such good thing to live in harmony with a few BUGS of babs.
Think of it and take it seriously .Also do not be surprise if you have something else or more than 1 strain .I do and so my kids.Some are harder to get rid off.
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wait- babesia microti thrives in oxygen?? i thought o2 kills parasites. i do have some dr zh artemesia left. maybe i will start it up again. i feel pretty good aside from the shoulder pain and muscle weakness in the arms and shoulders.
thanks for looking out for me
joey- by ingesting pressman's product, aren' t you oxygenating your body?
i am confused
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NYJOHN ! I have used them for other reason ..parasites...and before that I FOLLOWED every step of HULDAS protocoll.You can not go to that step without doing the others.
I did them as I have had nothing to loose.I did HIGH dosages of WORMWOOD and I am sure that tachiocardia I have had and shaking and caughing up all the gung from my chest was killing babs..and when I did the L CYSTINE and OZONATED OIL ..I killed BIG TIME IN MY BRAIN ...( many parasites and coinfections ) I was getting blind and could not hear and see a thing.
I was a gonner.So I would not recomend to do partial of it..
MOjoy .People on CUREZONE know about Dr PRESMAN.I was in his forum years ago as well.But in cleasing the parasites..the best was what I mentioned.I was with the ones that PEOPLE were USING and they were going based on HULDAS protocoll and created BY the T for that PURPOSE to be used when any of the people were following her protocoll.
Even DR K ozonated oils are GOOD BUT they are diferent and can not be mixed with L cystine..so they are used in diferent treatments and not in combo that HULDA has exsplained.I am talking about her EXACT protocoll.
I know he is having supperior product on ozonaters and saunas..
I even have had a consultation with him that was 3 years ago .BUt knwing that OZONE would have put lyme into cyst as I already did without knowing it..I decided not to go into back than ...NOW I still consider if I can afford in the future I would get a OZONATOR of his caliber a medical grade one .
This is still a dream and has been for 3 years.
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NYjohn-yes, that is the goal. Dr. Pressman believes ozone can kill babesia on contact, but there are different opinions on this.
In any case, you don't absorb the maximum amount of ozone through ingesting oil. Insufflation and sauna seem to be the best combination.
Alv--I am just answering R62's question, not saying his ozonated oil is better. I trust your opinion. However, if I do go with ozone, the end goal is continued use of the ozone sauna. I will receive Dr. Hulda's book soon, so I plan on integrating her protocol too
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