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So far you all have put nosodes in clear vials and placed on solar plexus (do you use tape?) and bejoy you tested to put drops under your tongue at times as well?
No one has rubbed the nosode on the body and shined the LED directly on that have they? or rubbed nosode on the solar plexus or somewhere else and used the light on the meridian points?
Thanks:-)
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The liver flush I did was really helpful. My lymph is still feeling a bit sluggish but I'm rebounding & dry brushing. It seemed like the liver flush helped my lymph to drain better. I'm not sure exactly what happened but that's what it felt like.
Alot of my back pain may have been my lymph. I saw a chart of lymph glands & the pain was in the areas of the lymph glands. The chart was just from the front - I don't know if the glands are in the back as well. I'll have to look for more info later.
I'd like to get a lymphatic drainage massage but it's expensive. I probably need alot of them - so, I don't know if 1 or 2 will do the trick. I read there a tea made from cleavers that's supposed to help with lymph drainage. I asked the bobber & it said I didn't need it, though. I do have some Lymphomyosot left.
I think it's a good idea to get the mercury fillings removed. I only have 4 left & no root canals, so it's not as bad as some people. I think it's important to deal with it. You have to do it gradually as to not get too toxic from the removals.
I'll go easy with the NDF Plus. I also got their liver support product. I probably have other toxins that I'm dealing with - not just mercury.
I think Selma did the rubbing on her skin of remedies. I have done the remedies with the LightWorks & under my tongue. I use the bobber & it indicates whether to use orally or with the light.
The mycoplasma remedy set is very strong - so, I'm doing it slowly. The higher dilutions I did with the light but it seems the lower ones I need to take orally.
Looks like a good article - I'll read it later.
Take care!
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PS - yes, you just use medical tape from the drug store.
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Sparkle you might want to consult with your bobber when you need to do your next cleanse. Mine I believe is in 6 months or not for a good long time.
From what I understand liver congestion due to gall stones can cause upper back pain. You probably hit on the reason. Inability of the lymph to drain with a sluggish liver.
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Thanks Bob. I'm not sure how the lymph connects with the liver but I'll look into it. I was reading more about thymus & spleen...
It may just be a systemic toxic overload. The mycoplasmas, Lyme residue & environmental toxins may be clogging up my ability to get rid of everything.
Stuff like charcoal or psylium probably doesn't get to the lymph or liver or in between cells, etc. Selma is right about that. I'll have to keep chlorella in mind.
That's why I figured I'd try the NDF Plus. It's not supposed to be as strong as the NDF regular. It works slower - from what I've read. I might consider making a homeopathic remedy out of that if needed...?
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Sparkle -- you might want to consider glutathione suppositories along with the NDF.
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I'm going to re-post warnings and suggestions for using biophotons with nosodes.
For those reading these posts, and going it alone, I want you to have the benefit of other people's experience and mistakes.
This is not medical advice or treatment instructions. It is what I have learned and tell myself, based on my own experience, and on reports from Dr. W.'s protocol:
Use only one or very few nosodes at a time.
Don't use other homeopathics even by mouth within a few hours of a light treatment, unless you want to be treated deeply by them during your session.
Use muscle testing or biotensor, or some sort of energy testing to decide on treatment. Get a kinesiologist or ART practitioner to help you, if possible.
Don't touch any bottles of nosodes, homeopathic products, or any other strong foods or agents of any kind for 15-30 minutes after a light treatment. For homeopathics and nosodes, sometimes longer, up to an hour. If you do, you WILL be treated deeply by them.
Allow yourself to sit and rest alone for at least 20 minutes after a light and nosode treatment, so you won't be exposed to other energies or treatment you are not aware of.
Start slow, as in seconds per location, rather than minutes.
Treat when ALONE, unless the necessity to treat a child who is a family member. Others in the room will be treated by accident.
Don't treat other people with light, especially if you are on homeopathics or nosodes. They may pick up your treatment. Let them treat alone, with specifics chosen for their condition.
Remember that anyone with lyme or chronic illness is layered with health issues. Be prepared that this is not a quick fix. Once a pathogen clears, be ready to address the next pathogen, allergy, or toxicity.
These issues can become acute, and it is best to have an understanding expert, such as a naturopath, who will help you, and be available in case of crisis.
Remember to use drainage (to clear out organs and get fluids moving) and detox to clear out toxic chemicals, and binders, which you swallow to absorb the fall out. Choices are many.
Treatment works best with some kind of allergy treatment. There are many. Some use light, some don't. Brussels has a very good one, I believe, brilliant woman that she is.
Good luck and best wishes for your healing.
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Thanks again, bejoy & everyone! This form of therapy is not a quick fix.
I tried the aura patches & it didn't seem to do much. Some nice lady sent me some to try to see what I thought...
Yes, Bob - I ordered some glutathione. It should be here soon.
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Thanks sparkle for the info on aura patches, i put it in both threads to get a response. I'll definitely circularly file this one.
Let me know how the glutathione works out for you.
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I did my first 200K dilution ever by hand from the knee liquid nosode from my daughter. I did it in 2 days, or I would have spent too long... It took me hours. My daughter used it yesterday with photons. She's symptom free (no knee pain) again... She was symptom free since her 100K dilution.
I think that what woke her lyme was the MMR vaccination detox, in the same way that metal detox can make critters show up. She still has some more detox to do.
After that, I wonder if she won't be showing up more heavy metals, as she never treated heavy metals agressively as I did. She never tested for stronger heavy metal detox agents....
I'm still detoxing metals from my gums but so far, no more Pandora box effect.
I used clay for biofilms for a couple of days, I wonder if that didn't help?? Also activated charcoal for 2 days too. Then they simply stopped testing. And I went back to my normal combo chlrella etc...
I'm really more healthy apparently than most people around me, the ones I used to call healthy. They're fighting pollen infection, coughs, candida infections, hubby is fighting now gout again...
I'm just taking my combo of cleansers and doing some Nogier here and there (specially for the tooth).
But I have absolutely no infection symptoms, nothign tests active, not even a cold for the last 2 weeks.
NDF-Plus knocked me more than any borrelia treatment. It was very strong in the beginning, until it stopped having any effect. I ingested drops of it. If you do a search, you'll find my old posts on them, probably under hardynaka, my old screen name.
Now I'm using cilantro D6 home made for my tooth. I guess my load of metals after 3 years of chlorella and other chelators is now low.
Somehow, I feel the relation between critters and heavy metals was very real. They were probably a big reason for my Pandora box effect, I feel. I don't test for most chelators now, except for this cilantro homeopathic. I used it both ingested, rubbed or with the PE1.
Bejoy is right on caution. Using few nosodes each time with photons. And never ever forget the cleansing homepathics as while you use photons, you'll react much better with homeopathics.
I think some blockages are released with photons and the body gets smarter on reading homeopathic frequencies, ingested or rubbed.
Dr. W. uses basically homeopathics to clean patients while on photons. Plus the ozone for killing other critters that rise.
I know I'm better because I don't need anymore any of the normal cleansing Heel products, no more Sanum products AT ALL, no more even the Ubichinon Citrokehl mix to boost ATP as I craved before.
My daughter though started testing for the magic combo Ubich Citro again after her lyme got active few days ago. I feel the magic mix works well cleaning the cells in an amazing way. I strongly recommend it, this double mix test well for most people suffering from any chronic disease.
I'm kind of trying to keep well and having time to treat things I never really worried much like grey hair, one sensitive tooth, and wondering if I could have healthier nails on my feet.
I found a wonderful site in French though about homeopathy, vaccination cleaning and EMR protection, if anyone is interested I will do a copy paste on it. Cheaper solutions for EMRs protection!
I also found an interesting machine called Quantec, that does radionics. I start to suspect that what AI does is similar or is generated with such a machine. If not this machine exactly, something very similar to it, almost for sure. I just got a book on it.
As for the people worried with GI parasites, for me the KMT worked the best with them. I had loads of sweating on the parasite programs, and felt clearly something being cleaned in my brain. I used the GI parasitic programs on and off during the whole time I was with active lyme.
Parasites are both in the GI and in the brain, as their cycle uses our brain...
As for guys trying to use neuraltherapy, this is very good to solve stuck problems (like when one eye is constantly infected, or a muscle is always in pain, or a knee, or a tooth, etc). It is usually neural therapy that unblocks something and causes the affected area to self heal.
To find where is the point to treat, I only use energetic test. I usually as the 9 MFT points (or EFT points) first, while holding the problematic area. When you find the point, I treat either with procaine or with tapping.
Healing starts almost immediately when you got the right 'trigger' point. If none of the points test, you gotta try to find where is the blockage. It takes longer, but it pays back.
As for binders with NDF-Plus, I have no doubt you need them. NDF, cilantro, zeolite, whatever substance that takes metals off will stirr metals before flushing them away.
No chlorella for me while taking such chelators = danger, REAL danger. Danger of air hunger, of heart problems, high blood pressure, not to say all the GI related problems that arise, days, weeks after taking chelators.
Even photons can move metals, in my experience. Either by killing (bugs liberate heavy metals), or by moving metals by themselves. Appying photons on liver, GI tract or any organ (articulation, for example) can liberate heavy metals according to energetic tests.
Specially because blockages are lifted and then, parts of your body that didn't detox start to detox by themselves.
So photons without binders = certain trouble IF you suffer from severe chronic disease.
Now I can use my PE1 for 15, 30 minutes even, I have no more problem. But I never stop taking binders once a day.
I treat many people around me, with homeopathics, with nosodes, with PE1, I do remedies every day, I deal with these remedy frequencies every day and it's no problem anymore.
But I was extremely sensitve just a few months ago... When I started this thread, I was very vunerable to photons. Now I feel I have a sort of barrier of protection around me. I guess I'm just healthier, that's all.
I am also using home made products based on my own saliva information. Each person will test for different products. I am doing a second round of saliva product, and will be going to the third round soon. Not every person reacts the same way though, but I got knocked down with my second sample...
Children seem to have no bad reaction, except that they are able after to eat most things that they were allergic before. Even milk, my daughter is now taking cow milk without any problem. Even shrimp!
I still though had no case of wheat allergy healing because I know no one with wheat allergy. If anyone with wheat/gluten allergy is willing to try, I'm ready to do the product for free to try to address this allergy, that I know is one of the most difficult allergies to heal. Contact me in PM.
Funny that when we change, our saliva changes, and then I can't use the older saliva anymore as base. The saliva contains information of antibodies, from allergies, from critter antibodies, and it seems, hormones. It is a wonderful source for healing or balancing.
It can't though kill borrelia! For that I'm still trusting the PE1 + nosodes!!
Homeopathic NDF seems not to work. I tested that before. You gotta take the real drops! Be ready for being knocked down. If nothing happens, great, but if it does, just be ready.
I got twice awful experiences while metal detoxing, maybe 3 times. Once with NDF plus, the other with Phospholipid Exchange, then another by itself (self healing, I just got an explosion of metals being flushed out, incredible pain from my knee). Chlorella saved me in most cases. Another life savior was MSM in powder, when chlorella itself couldn't hold. Bitter awful taste, but I ate that like sugar, in big full spoons, so much I needed it.
My parsley tincture is getting now good, it seems to help the kidney. My favorite for the kidney until now is still bear garlic D1, home made, but I will see if parsley tincture will test good for as long as bear garlic tests.
As for electrolytes home made, i use himalayan salt in a glass bottle, just a bit until I feel the water a tiny bit salty. I sucuss the bottle about 100 times and take it with herbs or by itself during the day, about once or twice a day. Electrolytes are extremely important for detoxing.
And never forget enzymes, they do too many things to describe here, from probable biofilm destruction, to balancing the flora, to detox, killing, performing many chemical reactions, digstion etc. Healthy people need enzymes, sick people will take much longer to heal without good enzymes.
Now I chose to remain on Rechtsregulat on a D1 dilution. It takes ages to finish one single bottle, my whole family is on it. Anyone doing energetic tests can see it tests as good as undiluted product. One bottle makes at least 10 bottles on that dilution. And we need only a few drops as D1 is a homeopathic dilution, while on the undiluted product you need 10-15 ml a day.
I don't know how are other people on photons doing, but what I find crazy is that my food intake fell drastically. I don't need to eat any intermediary snacks anymore. I do pretty well even if I skip a whole meal, while before I would just collapse. I know it has to do with photons as the change was too fast.
Today I had breakfast early, we drove the whole way back home. I had a small sandwich at 13, and was not hungry until 19hs. I ate my dinner, but could have skipped it without much drama. Photons are amazing!!
i'll get back to this thread later and try to read what I lost during these 2 weeks!
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The NDF-plus looks like a good product, but my doc told me my kidney is a weak link so I need to focus metal elimination via fecal route. Sucks with the leaky gut, but hopefully the progurt is addressing that as I go along.
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Great to hear such progress with you and your daughter Brussels! Very inspiring for all of us going the energetic route.
btw, I don't recall if you or your family used AI. If so, did you find an allergy treatment that surpasses it? I will PM you if that is the case.
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Selma, thanks so much for all the great info!
I'm having a great deal of pain in my back. I just got the NDF plus & a liver support product from the same company. I'm going to go very slow with it.
Thanks for the warning, Selma. I haven't started it but I'll keep everyone posted. Sounds like very strong stuff.
I'm going to be working with the glutathione & serrapeptase - when it arrives, too.
At this point, I have a feeling that it's the toxins that are causing me all of the problems. I don't think my body is detoxing well.
I had my menstrual period & it was very bad. Lots of pain. I think the liver flush stirred up alot of stuff & it was released via my menstrual period. (Sorry to be so graphic - guys...).
It's good in a way since I think it's got to get out somehow - it's just difficult. I don't think I am dealing with pathogens - I just think it's the toxins at this point. I'm not sure which is worse.
I did use the LightWorks for a bit on my back & pelvic area today. I had to do something & my dowsing said it should be OK.
I recently found out that natropathic physicians are actually illegal in the state I'm living in.... They can be fined & put in jail here... I think there are a few around but they are very quiet about it.
Kind of bizarre.... This is all great info you are all posting. Thanks very much. Especially for the people in places like this state where they may not be able to find help with all of this.
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Are you sure it's naturopathic physicians with or without a license? Many claim to be naturopaths without any certification whatsoever
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They do not give naturopathic doctors licenses in this state...
US states which specifically prohibit the practice of naturopathy: South Carolina,[44][43] and Tennessee.[45][43]
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In Tennessee and in South Carolina, the practice of naturopathy is illegal.
Tennessee law, for example, provides that the practice of naturopathy is a Class B misdemeanor, but renders this prohibition inapplicable to "persons who comply with the regulatory laws of the state with respect to the practice of the various healing arts."
Without a similar textual qualification, however, a South Carolina statute prohibits the practice of naturopathy and subjects offenders to a fine not to exceed $500 or imprisonment for a period not exceeding one year, or both.
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It seems pretty weird since they do studies on alternative medicine at the university here... It may improve the economy here if they got up to speed on some of the newer techniques in naturopathic medicine. They could actually have medical tourism coming here if they modernized their view on this subject.
What do I know...? I don't have a PhD...
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what about chiros? Many of them practice similar to NDs out here on the west coast
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Sorry to ask... Sparkle and Bob.. did you do the basic hulda clark liver cleanse?
I'm hurting again.. spot up under ribs. Last time doc gave me a slew of unda drops that helped. When this happens that band across upper abdomen is sore and esp spot to right of upper middle abdomen near right rib cage. Tummy area usually gets sore feeling as well. I'm guseeing its the liver.
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Not necessarily. Can easily be gallbladder when it's under right ribs. I have this issue and need to do the cleanse too
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Liver almost always needs milk thistle. Many Chinese herbs also help (I'm pretty sure 1st chinese can propose a few liver detox herbs).
Chlorella helps too. I also add some cilantro drops rubbed on the liver + gall bladder, I find that cilantro X6 works even better than tincture. It probably helps moving toxins and heavy metals that get stuck there, I feel. The relief is almost immediate.
A friend of mine with lyme has bought rain tree liver herbs, it is helping her. They tested very good for her.
For gall bladder, I find that lemon works too. Taken a bit many times a day. There was a recipy here with lemon and flaxseed oil (if my memory is good?) that worked well for my gall bladder too.
Best of all though are homeopathics on LM potencies, energetically tested for each organ. That was what my lyme doctor did for me. It saved me lots of trouble.
To try to pull more toxins from the skin, I find jojoba oil helps, when rubbed on belly, kidney area, then on soles. When in doubt, rub on the whole body, it is VERY relaxing. I usually did that before bed time.
I just read recently that the Ayurvedic naturopaths propose to do a oil cleaning ingesting ghee butter and rubbing oils on the skin. The detox recipy had also cilantro in powder (so from seeds) and loads of fresh cilantro. If eating lots of ghee though, they don't recommend any oily food or animal protein in the same day.
I didn't know about that Ayurvedic recipy, but when I was feeling toxic, I craved oils, specially butter. Oils 'attach' to pesticides, heavy metals, dioxines and God knows what more.
I suppose that is the reason why so many lymes crave for eggs and oily foods. I did.
Recently, I tested energetically ghee butter and it did come as helping to clean heavy metals. I wouldn't take it though if I were in trouble with gall bladder, as this is pure oil! The gall bladder would be overcharged, I suppose?
MSM will help the liver like glutahtione, I suppose (I never tried glutathione), and is powerful to detox without 'stirring' toxins, in my experience.
If you build a good detox program and keep changing it every two weeks or so (because your body changes), addressing lymph, liver + gall bladder, GI tract, kidneys and possibly detoxing through skin, nothing can stop progress, in my opinion.
One can kill without pause and without feeling toxic, the days can go almost normal, almost as though one is not sick, when proper detoxing goes on. It is more an art than science though.
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Joey, no I didn't do AI and I feel I won't do it, not for the moment at least. I'm working with my own saliva products and they 'test' energetically better than AI for the moment.
I think I know how the AI products are generated as I found quite a few references of products here in Germany and Switzerland using radionics and frequency imprints. I suppose the Asyra is not that different.
If I 'test' one day for AI, I will let you know. For the moment, no one at home tests for it.
As for how to do your own homeopathics, google or read my old posts. I think Truthfinder did some posts on that too.
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Sparkle (and Joey!), as for parasites, never think you don't have these... They grow when the immune system is weak.
Same for candida and mucor. No way, a chronic lyme sufferer will be a good candidate to get these infections, parasites included.
Symptoms are just so similar with lyme, or lyme co-infections, candidal infections and other microbes. Like brain fog, for me, it's a symptom number one for parasites....
Never say never, that is my rule after having got lyme.
I never thought I was going to have troubles in most of my organs, but during lyme, I had troubles with almost everything, from teeth, sinus, brain, many hormones/glands, blood circulation, lungs, ear, eyes, heart, liver, gall bladder, kidney, GI tract, lymph, pancreas, most articulations, then muscles... even my skin, it got much worse during lyme, with loads of infections...
Same for cavitations. I start to believe this is MUCH more common than what people think.
I also realize that my nails are weaker than before lyme too. And only now I have time and patience to try to solve the problem of grey hair, now I got almost all my hair grey while before lyme, I rarely needed to paint.
so no way, lyme affected every single part of my body, from hair to toe nails. Parasites were just one tiny part of the picture.
I do feel that one doesn't need to buy a KMT to kill parasites, as they do test on and off (I think I never used it for more than a few weeks a year for GI parasites).
I could borrow mine the first time from my naturopath. I'm sure that there must be other ways than buying.
I have the general impression that most people using the KMT didn't have much trouble with GI parasites. Somehow, these eletromagenetic frequencies seem to work well with larger parasites (while photons work better with smaller critters?). I'm sure people using Rife would have an opinion on that.
The advantage of the KMT is that you run one program and get dozens of parasites at once. With Rife, you need to find the frequency of each parasite first, and attack one by one...
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Photons + nosodes: Kill or neutralize?
I suppose the answer for me is: - lower dilutions, up to 60D help the body kill, provoke clear herxes (for active infection or/and acute infection)
- 100D, 200D somehow like above, but test when infection is less active, less feeling like 'acute' if you understand what I mean. ONe may herx but less intensely than with lower dilutions.
- higher than 200D, for example, like 30K (or 30C), 200K, 1,000K (or 1000C): almost no symptom is felt then (or very few symptoms), it acts more on the energetic field, almost imperceptible herxes.
when you reach like needing ONLY 1,000K, you don't really feel sick anymore and wonder if you still have lyme. So that is what I suppose dr. W. was talking about neutralizing borrelia?
If you still test for 30K and 200K though, symptoms may arise if you don't treat.
That is based on my and my daughter's experiences.
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I wrote somewhere above I used cilantro D3 but it was a mistake, it was cilantro D6 that I use.
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R62 -- that's just to the right under the rib is a liver or gall bladder or both screaming for help. Yes, I had the same pain and did the hulda clark liver cleanse. I haven't had it since so I believe it did take care of that problem. But I had to do it more then once, 3 times in fact to get all of it out. I'll probably do one every 6 months from now on.
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Parasites and RIFE!
Selma I am speaking from the exsperince of a person that did not know IF would wake up ALIVE .
I have used KMT at MY llmd `s office.But did not feel much of diference as that happened right after I have done major parasites cleansing as that is what I thougth I have even though my PCP and colonoscopy and endoscopy showed NOTHING as always happens in every LYME patient!!
My rife was screaming on every frequency in 2006 cleansing stoped in JANUARY when finaly found SELF diagnosed LYME and coinfecitons ( june) .I have used RIFE on many pathogens and parasites before.YES you need to take one frequency at a time but you address the parasites that you really know.
I actually ask for which pathogen is first to be dealt with , how many frequencies at that time and which one is the most beneficial from a long list of them that are listed on CAFLS list.
The RIFE helps reaches the brain and helps a lot.But you still need to take things internally based on HULDAS protocoll..and add other herbs if you wants.The best is to be on JUICING while doing the PROTOCOLL as it eradicates more.
The work on same almost principles..and if YOU are in JUICING reaches the GUT as WELL.Have had results myself and is very easy to use.NO brainer !
When I still did not know about lyme.I hooked up the wires atached to a alumin foil and a paper towel wet on top of it so I did not have to touch the alumin foil and run the AUTOZAPPER .
But RIFE does way much more than KMT in my opinion.Is great to have them all as I am sure that KMT can be used for other things as well but I would choose a rife before an KMT.I still use it on some frequencies even yet.
Also no matter what testing I do or I have done to my llmd...if I run the frequencies and MY MACHINE does not sing it is clearly a sign that is not active ..the lamps also do not turn PINK but stay BLUE or light pink.
That is also a teller for me that the infections IS NOT THAT OF ACTIVE and CAUSING the SYMTOMS .So for ME THIS TELLS a lot.I still use it IF I get that I have benefits from it.
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Bob.. thank you. Three in a row or one every month for three months?
Unda drops 234 and a group containing I think 256 helped, but I think I need to get down to the problem.. this happened after my mepron, biaxin treatment when my gut fell apart.
I've been a little terrified of doing this.. expecting a large stone I cant pass, but thats just not comnon, right?:-)
Anyone found a need for oxygen therapies? I have been feeling low oxygen and last IV myers, glut, my blood pooled back into tube and it was scarily dark red.
Lastly, are you all testing for homeopathics based on having the bottle in hand or do you have test kits?
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Alv, what kind of rife do you use? I have a KMT that came damagd and is being replaced. I hope it is worth the money.. I hope it also gets protoza well.
The KMT has setting for meridian balance, lymph drainage, pain and other similar settings. I wonder if it is more of a zapper like tens machine.
KMT energetically tested better for my children and for me, thus I purchased it... months ago.
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Alv, thanks for the great info.
The big disadvantage of the KMT is the time that it takes to use each program. Rife is so fast and you can treat many people in a day, while the KMT, only one person can use at a time.
I guess you are right on power, that Rife should work 'better' or faster as this is not microcurrent.
I start to feel that there are somehow two types of people: the ones that need strong treatments to get results, and the ones that need gentler treatments to get results.
I'm clearly not the first type. I never had big trouble to find good killers, nor my daughter (except for FSME though), but I have MUUUCH more trouble in finding balancing and cleansing therapies.
Other people need loads of killers in great amounts to get any improvements.
So for me, no way, I chose the KMT to Rife. It was easy to use, it did some lymph drainage, it usually calmed me almost immediately...
When you connect yourself to the programs, you'll see that it doesn't start with killing (by energetic tests), but probably starts on moving the lymph, only then it adds killing/ neutralizing frequencies of pathogens.
For what I read about Rife, herxes can be horrible and I'm more afraid of herxes than of parasites.
With the KMT, when I start to feel I'm getting toxic, I just stopped it and continued next day.
But each person is different and I'm glad that Rife exists as it does seem to help thousands of people!!
Scott has both a Rife and a KMT and he prefers his KMT though.
I suppose another main difference is that you see an immediate result with Rife (like a specific parasite being erradicated, at least for a few hours or days), while with the KMT, things take more time (as it only stops reproduction, but doesn't exactly kill if I understood well).
The KMT sounds to me better with small kids too. But of course, if I hadn't got the results I wanted, I was going to be still searching for other solutions!
Great tip on zappers too. Thanks a lot!!! I never used them, but they always make me curious.
Could you also post the link about the list of Rife frequencies you said above? Just out of curiosity and to get a whole list of pathogens too. I can then compare with the KMT!!
Thanks.
A last question: do you also feel that Rife works better with parasites (larger critters), while photons work better with microbes (smaller critters)???
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R62 once every two weeks is probably best. If you feel comfortable you can base your decision on when based on enegetic testing. As far as size of the stones. They are not truly stones like, stones you find on the ground. There more lime green and gushy. If you let them sit for a while the shrivel up like a raisin.
My first cleanse I had stones the size of large green grapes. By the last cleanse, I had about 20 about 1/2 the size of a pea. I energetically test not to need a cleanse for a good long time (like every 6 months). The cleanse was certainly necessary for me. I suspected I had liver issues for some time. The cleanse confirmed it, but I'm sure I'm not the only one.
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Thanks, Bob.:-)
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I'm having very bad back pain & it sounds like I have some sort of liver problem... judging from what I read on other websites.
I took 1 drop & then 3 drops later in the day of the BioRay Liver Life & it pushed me over the edge. I had a very painful menstrual period. The Liver Life really did it to make things worse - a few days later.
I don't blame the products but I think I'm dealing with some serious liver issues. I'm not exactly sure of the cause. I've been taking pain killers for years now - so, it might be that...?
My back pain was so bad I couldn't walk or get up. I think the BioRay is a good product but I'm not sure I'm ready for it. I may need something less extreme to start off.
Any suggestions? I read that Selma was doing well with cilantro tincture in homeopathic form... I get confused with the dilutions. I'm not sure how to translate D to X or C, L, LM, etc.
I think there was a chart someone posted. Can you clarify, Selma? I just want to make sure we're on the same page with the dilutions.
After doing the liver flush - I felt pressure in my abdomen. I didn't pass many stones. Mainly small ones & not alot.
When I got my period, though, the blood was very dark towards the end. Sometimes toxins can be eliminated via the menstrual period... So, something is happening but I'm not sure what.
My liver definitely needs some work, though.
m0joey- I could check into some chiropractors. There are people here & there but they keep it a bit quiet - for obvious reasons.
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Sparkle -- it sounds like you still have a lot of stones inside the liver. On the thread carrying the instructions, it mentioned when you do the first cleanse many of the stones in the back of the liver move forward. It's possible you've move new stones back into the gall bladder. And there stuck again. You can do the cleanse every two weeks until the liver is clear. I've done it 3 times and I think it is finally clear of all stones.
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sparkle--sounds like you need hardcore detox. are you doing the epsom salt/EDTA/hydrogen peroxide/apple cider vinegar baths too??
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Thanks guys! I posted on a thread at Curezone about this... Seems the way out is through.
It seems that this sort of thing happens as part of the process. I just wasn't expecting it. It happened about 10 days after the flush. I was going to start NDF Plus & their liver support product but it may be too extreme at the moment.
I have done baths with Epsom salt. I may want to try the other ingredients but the EDTA may be to much at the moment. I've done epsom salt with hydrogen peroxide & baking soda in the past.
I actually tried this stuff called magnesium gel with Luwang oil & it helped. It's nice stuff & it was better than the plain magnesium oil.
I'm kind of afraid of doing another flush right now... What do you think, Bob? Some people at Curezone say - you just have to have faith that it will work. Some women there say that it gets better especially with the menstrual issues, etc.
I really feel I'm on target but it's just hard being incompasitated (spelling?) like this. It's very painful. In some weird ways I actually feel better... go figure?
Thanks for all of your help! Big kiss...
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PS - I hope you don't think all of this is hyjacking your thread, Selma.
I don't think the killing is as bad as the detox. I think people may be putting too much emphasis on killing as opposed to support & detox. This is just my experience, though.
I think I did alot of killing with just the LightWorks - no nosodes. Getting it out through my liver - is another story.
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Sparkle, back pain could be kidney problem too. Are you taking something for your kidneys?
You are certainly right. Too much stress on killing is not what all of us can stand. Repeating again, I find killing easy compared to detoxing. For detoxing, the work is about 5 times more difficult as you got to find the right remedy(or remedies) for each detoxing organ (liver + gall bladder, kidney, lymph, GI tract, sometimes skin, sometimes lungs too....).
X= D. X is used in the US, D here in Europe.
If using cilantro in any form, do it only rubbed at first. You gotta add alcohol to make it go deeper when rubbed according to my homeopath.
If you ingest cilantro, in the way you are now, is no good idea as you'll be moving more toxins away. When you rub the detoxing organs (liver, gall bladder, pancreas, kidney, whatever is in trouble, at least it will be more 'constrained').
I mean, that is my feeling. At least, when you rub on your liver, for example, you'll help the liver get better as you move toxins away from it, and the liver can work better after. But if you ingest cilantro, you'll put more stress all over, liver included. You can do that when you get better!
Crossing fingers for you, Sparkle.
Another thing to look into is reflexology, but do with care and drink lots of water. The foot point for the liver is right side, a bit under the two last smallest toes. If you feel pain or feel the point is hard, that is where the trouble is.
But don't massage a lot in the beginning, only gently. Increase time (like from 1 minute, to 2 minutes... ) until you reach 15 minutes 2x day. You can also increase strength slowly, with the back of a pencil, for example, to get more strength. But only after a few days. Or to step on river round stones is another way... In the first days, do only with the fingers.
If you want to check if the problem is in the kidney though, you have to find the kidney point in reflexology too. It's more or less in the middle of the feet, both right and left feet (= right and left kidney). Lots of pain or hardness = trouble. But with kidney, don't do much as you can't drink too much water (or you'll stress the kidney, according to a reflexologist I knew...).
But it's good to check where the trouble is. Back pain for me is more often kidney trouble, but I guess when the liver + gall bladder is in big trouble, you may have pain on the back too?
Good luck, Sparkle!
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My daughter is having a relapse, for sure.
In Belgium, first I didn't have the right cables to use the PE1, so I didn't use for a whole one week. For me, it was fine, as I do think I'm out of lyme for the moment. But for her, it was not good.
Second problem, I didn't take any of the borrelia D potencies with me, because I thought she was over it. Not from borrelia, nor from her knee nosodes. I only took the highest K dilutions.
I didn't test her every day either, as she was so well. She ate bad (too much sugar, too much white flower, no more organic, we ate in restaurants almost every day etc...). The aunty was giving her sweet drinks (syrups with fruits) in the morning. I didn't give her the cleansing herbs every day either.
I treated her for MMR vaccinations and gave her the borrelia 1,000K ingested (very high potency).
After that, she started getting pain on her knee again. Nothing too bad, but that for me was an alarm. This was in the second week. I tested the K potencies borrelia and knee nosodes, nothing tested. So I didn't do the nosode + photon treatment with her.
We came back home, she is having some knee pain every evening, but during the day, she's fine, playing outside the whole day. Yesterday I kept asking 'borrelia?' and getting yes, yes.... Still didn't find the right nosodes though.
I decided to test the D potencies today in the morning and got a yes. Even for the borrelia antibodies...... I'm a bit discouraged again.
We gotta re-start again then. She took two of my borrelia antibodies nosodes, the highest I have here (30D and 60D). I'll add borrelia D nosodes tomorrow. She's starting again from 15D, which is very very low. Meaning, active infection again.
I tested rickettsia for her, got a yes. Chamydia, another yes... Well, then I stopped testing... I know what it means. It's borrelia fully back!
I'm writing that not to discourage you guys. I'm well, really, nothing is testing, I'm on other treatments (trying to balance hormones, trying to take my root canals away for good)... So it's only my daughter. She's not back to stage 1, but she's back again to active infection.
I guess my mistake was to have forgotten to take the right cables from the PE1 and then interrupt suddenly photon treatment in the middle, to have let her go into bad diet while she was still in treatment and to have let my D potencies in Switzerland.
Living and learning. I hope that tomorrow my mood will be better.
Hugs to you all. I hope Bejoy and Sparkle will also get better soon.
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Thanks Selma! I'm going to try making some cilantro tea to apply to my back. It may be better to try this rather than a tincture since it's less strong...? I'll add some alcohol to get it to absorb & do a compress.
I've also been looking into reflexology.
I know traveling can be stressful & eating holiday or food you don't cook is all part of life... My partner can't cook so when I'm really ill - he brings me all kinds of things. Down here in the south - it's like junk food heaven.
There are some great health food stores & farmer's markets but junk food is everywhere. They put fake butter on everything & it's really yucky.
Anyway, I found this post on Curezone which made alot of sense to me.
You're right about the liver playing an integral part with estrogen and ovulation. Keeping that in mind, here's something you might want to know:
The innervation for your female reproductive organs are in your lower back. Irritation or pain in the organs often results in lower back pain. I've seen this a lot in female clients.
Also, innervation for your liver is midback. And, of course, the entire spine is interrelated. When I began flushing out gallstones, the structure of my spine changed immensely, and I had to see a chiropractor for relief. Since then, I make it a habit to get an adjustment after each flush.
If you think about the way your body is put together... think about the space those Gallstones were occupying, and the pressure that put on the liver and surrounding organs and tissues. Then, think about the pressure that may have put on the spine, etc, etc. The body is a whole, and when doing these Liver Flushes , it has to be viewed that way... or the results and changes can seem pretty baffling.
Personally, I did experience more clotting, and after the first 10 flushes or so, my lower back started going out. It didn't just hurt... it went out, and I couldn't sit or stand on my own accord. What I discovered was that after years of having those gallstones in there, affecting the functioning of my liver and hormone production... my reproductive system had been greatly affected by it. When I released the stones, the reproductive system had to make some changes, too. I was worried for awhile, but I kept flushing in good faith, and I can say that now... I have the most painless periods I've ever had (and the mood swings are greatly improved, as well.)
My point is... when you make a change in your body like this, it is going to take some time for everything else to readjust. The body is a self-healer, and healing takes time. There's nothing wrong with getting some extra help-- like a chiropractor, massage therapist, or whatever. You definitely could talk to your doctor, but unfortunately... most doctors don't believe the liver flush works, and don't view the body as a whole. You could end up with more problems going that route (speaking from experience.)
Mainly, you just have to be patient and trust the process. This liver flush is powerful... it will make changes in the body, but it will do it the way nature intended it... not the way modern medicine does it. It may sound strange... but I'd have to say that you back pain and clotting are a GOOD SIGN... a very good sign that you really needed the liver flush. Keep flushing!
Best of luck!
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I do feel like I'm getting better but this back issue is bad... It may actually have to do with reproductive organs, as well.
I just have to take care of it & see where it will lead me. It may be a major shift. I felt many things change after the liver flush - so, I think it's going in the right direction even though I'm feeling pretty bad now.
Something had to be done to get the liver functioning properly. I don't know if "stones" are the issue but at least I found an area that needs support in order to get well.
They don't really tell you this when you see most doctors...
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Selma -- sorry to hear about your daughter relapsing. Hopefully she'll be better soon and bejoy too.
Sparkle, I have the sense you should do another flush, just my intuition. You still have stones, I think if you put your hand on your liver and free your mind and meditate on it, you'll have your answer.
I thought the write up was very good. If you choose to do another cleanse, it might be helpful for your significant other to give you a few good messages. Especially if he wants something good to eat beyond junk food.
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She's not testing for borrelia nor coinfections since borrelia ANTIBODY treatment yesterday.
First day without pain in the evening (yesterday), let's see how she goes today.
She's got candida parapsilosis for the first time now though.
Ricketsia and chlamydia stopped testing without being addressed...
Guess I over reacted. I hope things will get back in track soon.
Thanks Bob!
And good luck in your findings Sparkle!
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Selma, are you using a test kit to test or do you have nosodes for all the pathogens? Thank you for your updates.
Sparkle.. hang in there. You are a strong and inspiring person. Would castor oil compress help?
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Robin, I use both slides from dr. K. (I guess they are sort of photos from pathogens, but we see nothing on them, just a few colors), and homeopathic dilutions with pathogens, the nosodes used for TEST-only purposes.
These nosodes are found in Germany, Stauphen Pharma or Meripharm, they have slightly different strains.
I can also test using the remedies to heal, not only testing nosodes.
Testing nosodes can be used to heal, even though their dilutions are made to find out the problem, not to treat, in fact.
Example, for borrelia and most pathogens, we usually use the D6 dilution in normal test kits. For certain tuberculosis strains (like from a person I tested yesterday) they use a D30 though!
I think they define the potencies based on practice (EAV or muscle test). Germany is very advanced on such energy medicine and I trust their dilutions.
Having said that, in Belgium, I tested a woman whom I thought didn't have borrelia (I had tested her with the slides and with the D6 nosodes quite a few times before, she always tested negative).
She's a chronic sufferer, more than 30 years of poly arthritis. I knew it was infectious, but didn't know it was borrelia all the way because these two testing materials were giving me a negative.
Well, I tested her for the other D dilutions (from 6D to 200D), the ones that dr. W. uses. Bingo. She tests only for higher dilutions, about 100D, 200D.
It means, in my head, that her infection is not that bad (but it is chronic), but not that active as it was for me or daughter or people with clear lyme symptoms. It's amazing she doesn't develop further symptoms until now, for more than 30 years!!!
She's EXTREMELY energetic and is reaching 70.
Of course she doesn't believe it's borrelia. She won't get any treatment for that due to her beliefs. But that's another issue!
Another way to find an infection of borrelia is through antibody testing. These nosodes are also available through Meripharm. The person in charge there told me that sometimes even the borrelia 200D doesn't test, but some people test for the antibodies of borrelia. They have a series of 5 or 6 dilutions there, until D60.
That is why they are selling these antibody dilutions now, to help practioners identify some hidden cases of lyme, he told me.
I'm treating my daughter with the D30 and D60. She was testing for almost all other D dilutions (not antibodies) too. When I ask 'priority', her body tells me 'antibody', NOT borrelia nosodes.
So I treated her with the antibodies only. Another bingo! Now nothing tests, it's the 3rd day, not a single co-infection shows up, neither borrelia. She's not testing for any of the borrelia dilutions, even the highest I have, 1,000K.
I'm only giving her now through mouth two Sanum products, for candida parapsilosis and L-forms of candida. No pain in her knee for 3 days now.
I suspect her vaccination detox woke borrelia up, but it's great to know that she's NOT back to stage 1 or 2 of treatment as I initially thought. I hope, at least!
Another good way to see if someone has active lyme is to test your favorite borrelia killer. For us, it's with no doubt cats claw, whole herbin tincture, that will test more often.
I always keep cats claw somewhere easy to reach. It was cats claw testing 3 mornings ago that made me immediately think of active borrelia for my daughter. That is when I decided to go test the lower dilutions of borrelia nosodes and found a very active infection.
Now cats claw stopped testing again. It ALWAYS stops testing immediately after photons + nosodes.
A last way to test is with liquids imprinted with pathogen frequency. I'm sure the Rife people could provide/ sell these frequencies in water for testing purposes.
I test with the imprinted water from the KMT (that uses microcurrent). If program 3 tests, I know I have GI parasites. If program 4 tests, I know I have brain parasites or infection. If 5, mycoplasma strains, and so on.
I hope this gives you an idea.
After you get to 'know' your materials very well, you don't need the real materials in front of you. I'm sure Bejoy agrees with me as she told the same for her flower essences.
Once you know your materials well, you just need to think about them and you get good answers just by thinking. But the best though is still to have something with some 'real' biological/EMR information / energetic information inside(nosodes, frequency water, slides).
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Thanks Selma! It's great you are posting all of this info for everyone here.
I tried the castor oil pack & the cilantro tea for my back/liver problem. The cilantro worked much better! I'm going to continue with it.
I just made a tea with some fresh cilantro & added some rubbing alcohol. I used it on a washcloth under the heating pad (with some plastic in between).
I could say I had a 30% decrease in pain from it!
I really haven't gotten to fine tuning with all the homeopathic remedies. I think I have to address more physical areas of detox. After the liver flush - it's pretty evident I have toxins in my liver.
I really felt different after the liver flush but I'm thinking it may have been too severe for me. I'm wondering if anyone knows of a way to get toxins out of the liver in a more gentle manner...?
I bought the Liver Life product from BioRay & I'm testing to just use 1 drop. I asked if I should make it into a homeopathic remedy & it said no.
I haven't been dealing with much else since the back pain has been very bad & I'm having trouble doing much. It has been a good indicator to me to see how far it's been damaged, though.
I'm not sure it's a gall stone issue, either. I think it may be other toxins or mercury from having fillings since I was a child. I think it may have been the cause of bad menstrual cramps for most of my life but I'm not 100%.
I'm going to have to research it further.
I don't think I have alot of pathogens - for me it may be mostly a detox issue. I have been exposed to alot of toxic stuff. I'll have to get through this liver/back thing to proceed...
My feeling is that I have to get my liver (and probably lymph) functioning well to proceed with energetic therapies. The toxins or pathogens need a way to get out of my body.
I'm not sure how my kidneys are doing but I haven't noticed anything overt from them. I may have to consider that but I don't know for sure.
I haven't done alot of energetic testing but I'll get back to it to find answers soon...
Thanks everyone for posting!
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I was about to do the gallbladder flush today, but read that the instructions say way until 3 weeks of parasite killing are over.
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Bob--- I have a question about the Triphala--- It contains Tannins. Tannins can be toxic.
Is the Triphala toxic, or why not?
But then, coffee, tea, and chocolate contain tannins; but tannins can cause liver damage; so what are the missing details?
Thanks, from pamois.
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Pamois,
This is a toxicity study from a link I'll post below.
quote: Toxicity study No signs of toxicity were observed in short-term analysis but mortality was seen in long-term study at the dose of 5000 mg/kg. The data collected for individual animals is presented in Table 4. Triphala aqueous and alcohol extract (50-1500 mg/ml)/Triphala Mashi aqueous and alcohol extract (50-1500 mg/ml). Escherichia coli (2443/2378/2381)/Klebsiella (2438/2384)/Pseudomas (2379/2444)/Staphylococcus aureus (2401/2445/2447).
The dosage was about 2 teaspoons a day. It is better to just take one teaspoon. Toxicity to the liver is assessed again in the following:
quote: The site(s) and number of hydroxyl groups on and the phenol group are thought to be related to their relative toxicity to microorganisms, with evidence that increased hydroxylation results in increased toxicity. In addition, some authors have found that more highly oxidized phenols are more inhibitory. The mechanisms thought to be responsible for phenolic toxicity to microorganisms include enzyme inhibition by the oxidized compounds, possibly through reaction with sulfhydryl groups or through more non-specific interactions with the proteins (25).
I think this is saying, by killing the micro-organisms you are essentially poisoning tissue. May explain why ABX also badly effects the liver.
This is the link to the article. Which states that triphala is active again gram negative and nongram negative bacteria. Just like an antibiotic without affecting our good bacterial flora. But the the true benefit is to remove biofilm in the body. Triphala should be pulsed such as 5 days on and 2 days off. And possibly after a month stop it for a week to help rebuild tissue after 4 months you might want to stop for a month. I trust energetic testing for this but I'm learning and tannins are important anti microbial and anti viral substances. Just have to be wise how they are used. Again triphala has been used for thousands of years.
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A list of foods with tannins:
Common beverages Apple cider Apple juices Beer (hops) 20,000-40,000 ppm Coffee bean 90,000 ppm Grape juices Guarana 85,000-120,000 ppm Mate 40,000-160,000 ppm Red wines White wines aged in oak Rose hip tea Tea 33,000-270,000 ppm Beans Black beans Red beans (White beans have few if any tannins)
Spices Allspice Cinnamon Clove Coriander Cumin Oregano Tarragon Thyme Turmeric Vanilla Probably many more spices have tannins
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re: liver gallstone flush... I didn't do the parasite cleanse. I think it also says to do a kidney cleanse first, too.
I don't think I have a big parasite problem. I could be wrong... I don't seem to have many intestinal issues. I'm sure it doesn't hurt to be on the safe side, though.
My back is still hurting alot today but I do feel better in other ways. I guess it just takes time.
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