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How about an activated charcoal poultice for hands or feet? Or clay? There a lady in Hawaii who sells this Magnetic Clay for bathing in - it's pretty good.
I'm starting to trend towards doing a big juice fast with support herbs. If the organs don't function properly, how can we detox? Dr. Schulze has a good program called the Incurables Program. I'm considering trying it.
I think you have to fast on fresh juices & take herbs & do some other methods of detoxing for 30 days. I have to study it a bit more.
I'm not very interested in doing any of the finer things like homeopathy or using infrared light until I get all of the toxins out. I don't feel like my organs of elimination are clear.
Mercury can take your whole life to get rid of. I don't see how we are ever going to get rid of it completely. It's in everything... even cucumbers.
Dr. Schulze is a bit fanatical but I think he makes some sense about his protocols. It may be worth a try to get the organs detoxed as much as possible so your body will be able to get rid of the toxins - whether they are from Bb, viruses, chemicals, metals...
Ultimately, it's your body that has to do the work of elimination. Supplements or energy medicine can only go so far if your organs are not functioning properly.
The toxins are on a physical level - they may have to be removed by something other than energy medicine...? I think energy medicine is great but it may need to be supplemented with physical clearing.
Just my thoughts for today...
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Sparkle, energy medicine like homeopathy can go much further than anything chemical, most plants or supplements. It belongs to one level above (or two levels above the physical-biochemical) and heals from up to down.
I am not using any killer with homeopathy (ingested), only things to make my organs work. We check carefully each organ to support detox.
My lyme doctor has been doing that for years for all his patients. He never concentrates much in killing. 75% of his time is spent in finding problems, cleaners, balancing what's wrong, psychological hints for his patients and some treatment in his office.
Cilantro homeopathic does much deeper detox than simple cilantro tincture. Now I'm almost sure about that.
Cilantro tincture never tested really good for me, except for rubbing. Now this cilantro homeopathic tests much better and it does mobilize, even if I rub only.
I just saw that now dr. K. is using a sort of energized cilantro !!? I wonder if this is not simply cilantro homeopathic??
See also what dr. C. is doing with Samento, certainly imprinting some homeoapthic frequencies and saying it works better than the tincture.
The only homeopathic killer I am taking is the one through photons. So energy remedies can kill or detox on the physical level. I mean, just see what we are doing with photons!
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Fasting is a GREAT idea. Fasting did to me one of the most strong cleansing I experienced, just by itself.
But it doesn't change your body or organs the way homeopathy does, in my opinion. It's more mechanical, even though it caused me a sort of 'spiritual' detox too.
The most amazing thing was that my urine got soo stinky while fasting, and I ate nothing, not even fruits, just teas. After a few days I had to eat fruits as I continued to jog (bad idea). It's like the body enters in detox mode.
You are right concerning mercury. We won't eliminate it all, but we have to lower the burden to stop infections to show up by themselves.
Now my fight are with candida/ fungi, they still get stuck in my hands and feet.
My aim is to stop having too many storage places for heavy metals. I don't think we can eliminate all the mercury in us either. Just lower the burden. I decided to live on chlorella forever.
That's the only plant I don't think I will ever abandon as a supplement. Every one at home is on it for years.
Just taking chelators is a very very limited way to eliminate heavy metals. For me, chelators worked wonderfully well for the first 6 months, then they lose effect, even shifting chelators.
Their effect lasts for a couple of days, then they simply don't 'work' anymore.
The most difficult part is to find ways to unblock storage places of metals.
--- The guy is an interesting guy, dr. Schultze. Interesting suggestions, thanks for posting.
I'll try listening to the activated charcoal part later!! Thanks!
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Bejoy -- I had the ozone injections for 4 cavitations and I don't think I would have gotten very far without them. My DDS who administered the injections did it with ART and was able to determine and ensure their complete effectiveness. I wasn't well after them, but better and determined they are a necessary peice in getting well.
Its great to hear we are doing many things incrementally both physically as sparkle found and energetically like Selma and her daughter. We keep advancing a bit at a time with each treatment we do.
Today I spent time with my son on his birthday and mothers day out on the water. We did about an hour and 1/2 on the river kayaking. I can't believe how much stronger I'm getting. I was actually racing with my son who is very strong and we did it against the current. I kept up with him with no problem and we were racing a bit. I still feel pretty good, although I over did natural photons. Yep! a slight sun burn. I'll chock that up to natural healing.
We also did a 3 mile hike to go along with the kayaking. I drove for about 5 hours total. So it was a great family day, a day I felt completely normal. I think I can get use to this although I'm a bit tired now.
I haven't posted in a while, just wanted to post an update.
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Hi Bob - thinking of you! Good to hear you are living life!
Did flush #3 today - I'm kind of ill from it. It's been hard on me but it seems like it's worthwhile.
Kind of unbelievable stuff came out... I looked over at curezone.com in the parasites forum & it may actually be Bb colonies! I'm not exactly sure what it is but I hope it's not a bad thing.
I guess I'd have to have some kind of test of what it is but I don't know who would do that. Sorry, I don't mean to be gross but it happened. I did have alot of big sand size gall stones come out, too.
It's pretty hard on me doing this but I think in time my liver will be alot better off. I don't know if I'm ready for a massive detox program like the Schulze Incurables program but he has alot of good ideas.
The energy medicine is very good but I don't know if I could have gotten the gall stones out of my liver that way. Fungus is a big thing. Some people find it's related to cancer.
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I really don't think it's a good idea to do the flushes this aggressively. Listen to your body... you should feel optimal before you do another flush. Even Hulda Clark says the "every 2 week" flush is only for the relatively healthy, not for the ill
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I hope you'll be fine, Sparkle... I've never done that, so I can't say. It looks wild though. But great that toxins are flushing out.
I am thinking about you because I decided to test my camphor oils I had in my cabinet, to see if they tested as helping to move the lymph... They tested good in a few consecutive days.
I decided then to rub on all lymphatic nodes or places where there are lots of lymphatic canals (I had bought a book long time ago to learn manual lymph drainage). I avoided though the central line of the body (front part) as camphor will do a sort of accupuncture effect there.
Amazing feeling.
First day, I got tired. Energetic tests said, yes, lymph was moving faster. But I woke up tired, more than usual, with some pains on kidneys.
I rubbed cilantro homeopathic there and pain was gone (so it was probably some heavy metals accumulated there due to lymph moving faster?).
In the end of the day though I had more energy than usual and saw my fingers were not so swollen.
I had so much energy I decided to start cleaning my wardrobe at 22:00hs.
Second day, I got much more energetic, and my fingers got totally unswollen.
I'm not taking any killer for the last days, not even photons, so it shall be the rubbed camphor effect. I stopped most homeopathics too for a while, only taking Abrotanum and my saliva product now.
But saliva doesn't test as killer, never so far. It does tests as helping the lymphatic system though. But I'm with saliva for months, while the camphor, I'm only doing for the last 2 days.
I'm inviting you people to do the experiment with camphor, rubbing
the head area (under the chin, side of neck, up on shoulder),
trunk (armpit, inside elbow, on tummy area, specially to the sides and around navel, but avoid middle line of the body),
upper part of hips on your back,
connection of hips to the legs in front (soft part), behind the knee. And I rubbed on toes and fingers where blood circulation and lymph circulation are sluggish.
Just a bit of camphor, not much (it's a sort of paste used for colds).
soon after rubbing,I already feel something (relaxed or tired feeling).
It's like doing manual lymph drainage, but faster (as to do a good manual lymph drainage, one needs minimum an hour to do on the whole body).
You do that before going to bed and may wake up next morning feeling better (or worse, in the initial days, as toxins move).
I do think the fungal infections in my hands now stopped. My fingers are really totally unswollen. The main problem in extremities is for me lack of blood or lymph circulation.
I'll get some good camphor oils next time I go to the city to do more experiments. I tried on my daughter yesterday, for a cold she caught, it tests very good. NOT ON HER CHEST, but only on lymphatic nodes of the head area, until armpit.
One problem with camphor though is that the smell is strong and may mess with homeopathics.
My upper part of shoulder, which is an important lmyph area, that usually gets hard to touch, got clearly softer WITHOUT massages. I usually need to do massages there to get it as soft as now.
I need to rub camphor for longer to see if it really makes this part softer (shoulder), then it will confirm to me that it really makes the lymph moving!
After manual lymphatic drainage massage, this part will get softer almost for sure, if the massage is done properly. The lymph coming from the head mainly drains from that point.
So now again, I'm am starting a new ZERO INFECTION phase. Today is day one.
Let's see what will show up now. Hopefully nothing, but I got to wait and see. I usually get mucor or aspergilus or any other candida strains in such phases... Or catch a cold!
My new saliva batch is detoxing heavy metals my brain (through energetic tests), I feel a bit high (like when I drink wine) and with an incontrolable desire to sing.
My bear garlic tincture is now 'cooking'!
I decided to do a mother tincture of CGF too, one interesting extract of chlrorella vulgaris. My daughter always test so good for it, and it does seem that kids that grow on it have no cavities and their jawbones develop perfectly.
The problem is it's an expensive extract. I'm doing a mother tincture with it and I suspect that homeopathic dilutions to D6 test the same as the powder of CGF. I still got to wait and see, then test on my 'poor' daughter...
I always compare with the original undiluted version to see if I'm not imagining things...
I'm amazed to see that homeopathic D1 bear garlic tests better than whole ticnture, that Cilantro D6 tests better than tincture, and even cod liver oil D1 tests better than oil itself. It's amazing.
I've been doing these tests for months to be convinced that a few supplements work better in homeopathic dilutions than in original concentrated form.
I am having hopes that both ecklonia cava (THE super anti oxidant plant!) and CGF do test good in homeopathic dilutions too.
It doesn't work for all substances though. Certainly not the camphor I have, nor propolis, nor NDF, nor many many stuff like cardamon, cloves, etc.
Even chlorella, nope, it becomes a mobilizer if you dilute it, it won't be the great binder it is, it seems. So not all substances work better in the homeopathic version...
--- the Simoncini theory looks very interesting, indeed. It is known that most cancer patients test positive for candida (not energetic tests, but in autopsys)...
Researchers initially thought that cancer patients have their immune system compromised, that is why they develop candida. But this doctor thinks it's the opposite.
Sanum experts also don't differenciate much treating infections or pre cancerous phases. They all use the same type of products and approaches.
Dr. K., I think he would agree that for any person with any chronic disease, the treatment is more or less the same: detox toxins, kill infections, treat psycho issues and you'll get healthier. No matter if the guy has lyme, or MS, ALS, cancer, autism, MCS ...
I thought this was strange in the beginning (why would he treat autism and lyme the same way, and even cancer?), but things make much more sense for me now. The more I do energetic tests, the more I see what Joey calls the "pathogenic soup" ALL OVER, in people I used to call 'healthy'.
We all struggle with infections, some with symptoms, some with little or no apparent symptoms. The infection load and aggressiveness vary, but critters are all over. I guess we're all part of evolution?!
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Hey Selma if you got so much energy I have a wardrobe that needs cleaning. Happy to hear about the increase in your energy.
Sparkle glad to hear you got through your third cleanse. After the cleanse its time to look into bile salts that may have been depleted from soooo much infection. Bile salts can be replenished through supplementation.
95% of bile recycles after being used. So getting bile regulated also clears the small intestines of candida infections and normalizes the flora. There is plenty of research on this in mice. I'll try to find some links on this later. Adding bile salts not only keeps the liver cleans but the small intestines as well. I'm also guessing that in time it will normalize the large intestine as well. It will take time! It might also help probiotics become more effective in the intestinal tract. Of course this is just a guess on my part.
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More great posts on this thread.
That's interesting about the lymphatic drainage and camphor, Selma. And you are right, camphor behaves like a `universal antidote' to nearly all homeopathic medicines, even when applied to the skin. Definitely something to keep in mind. (Camphora - as a homeopathic remedy - is a different story. It was the main remedy in certain Cholera epidemics.)
Here in the USA, you can get Oil of Camphor (or Spirits of Camphor) at almost store that has a pharmacy - quite inexpensive, too - just ask at the counter. They usually don't put it out on the shelf. I used it topically for awhile for temporary pain relief. It worked somewhat. Some people swear by it for muscle-type pain.
Oh. so glad you talked about the homeopathic chlorella acting more like a mobilizer/ chelator than a binder - I've been wondering about that. I just didn't see how it could retain the properties of a binder when diluted so much. Thanks!
Excellent report, Bob! I guess we should say `Happy Mother's Day' to you!
Could someone give me a definition of a `cavitation'? Does this occur only where there is a root canal or a tooth has been removed?
`Bb colonies', Sparkle? What did these look like? (If it was mucus-like, as I recall, that's a sign of inflammation.)
My bowels are still a problem, even with the Oregon Grape Root. It's a peristalsis/transit issue. I suspect the main problem may be in my low back, so I may have to try some cranial/ sacral work or something.
Well, I've decided that I'm going to do a 16-day, fresh (raw) applesauce diet (Hulda Clark)..... if I can figure out what I did with my blender. I used to LOVE juice fasting, but I can't do it anymore. Neither can my friend with Lupus - we both have horrible pain when trying to fast, with our intestines `tied up in knots'. I've always wanted to try that applesauce diet, but never did it. I just haven't decided WHEN would be a good time to start this. Wish I'd thought of it this winter.
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Funny there's camphor homeopathic. I wonder what is used for. I know that I can't do a remedy with my product, but who knows about an original mother tincture of camphor?
I'm enjoying rubbing it all over, just once a day before bedtime. I am strongly suspecting just making my lymph move faster is helping to kill the remaining fungi on my hands. I mean, I think the infection stopped now and the only new thing I did was this camphor rubbing. It feels really good.
It doesn't test as killer, for sure, I've been asking on an on, not for my fungal strains at least.
-- As for cavitation, I guess you have to search for Gigi's posts. It's when bones are affected with infections, becoming like 'sponge', usually undetectable by X-rays.
I had it 3 times already, now I'm trying to treat it with ozone, without pulling my tooth off.
I saw a documentary about neolithic remnants near to Stonehenge. One skeleton there had clear signs of knee infection affecting deeply the bones and he also had cavitation, a big hole under one of his teeth (the tooth had cavities too).
The infection in his jaws must have been very big as it consumed his bone there, completely (you could even put your index inside the hole). The BBC documentary didn't say 'cavitation' but that was what it was! It looks like an old problem of humans!!
--- I hope you solve your bowel problem, Tracy. It's been already so long you are suffering there.
While I was very sick, I couldn't fast either. I even didn't try, just staying two hours without food made me feel so bad that I knew I couldn't fast. I just fasted out of nothing, last year, when I couldn't make my borrelia go dormant around September.
I had this idea out of nothing and in fact, that made my borrelia dormant for the next 5 months!!! It was my record!
But I was not feeling too bad then. Not weak like in previous years. I felt zero pain, which was surprising. My days had so many more hours, as when we don't eat, we don't lose time cooking, shopping for food, tidying the kitchen up. The days get incredibly longer!!
I guess there's good timing for everything. The remedy for one is the poison of the other, like in homeopathy!!!
Do you still eat wheat, milk and other allergenic food?
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Thanks Joey... I know you are concerned for me. I'm feeling ill today. Mostly just drained & my liver area is painful.
I'm going to try a castor oil pack. I think the last flush I did was about 3 weeks ago - so, it's not very close. I used my bobber & it said to go forward with it.
My liver may be in bad shape - so, it takes a bit to recover. People with hepatitis, AIDS & people who have to get gall bladder surgery (etc.) do the flushes & have had good results. It's not only for people who are well.
Maybe some people have bad results & don't do them again. Might be the case...? I've been ill for so long - it doesn't really matter.
I haven't been able to function for 10 years - what do I have to lose? Some people take an extreme approach & it works. I guess it's a gamble...
I wasn't getting anywhere with conventional medicine. I don't have any more money to waste on quacks - holistic or otherwise... (I don't mean to offend anyone - some doctors are good but I just don't know any here in the south & I don't have the money to burn in any case.)
So, what's next? The only way I could function was to take pain meds. That may have been making my liver worse - it may have been an endless cycle towards the negative.
I don't know what the root of it is but I felt I had to take a risk... How bad could olive oil, grapefruit juice & epsom salt be compared to IV abx, pain killers, & anti fungals?
I'm not sure what to make of the "nodes" that came out of me. Some people on curezone seem to think they may be Bb.
I looked through photos of parasites & they didn't look like any of them. One person posted a photo of something that looked similar & others suggested that it may be Bb...?
I'm not sure it's possible or how big something like this would be. I'm going to have to investigate this further. Wouldn't it be something if it was a Bb colony? Might make sense that it would reside in the liver...
So, I'm just going to take it easy today. Interesting about the camphor. That's the ingredient in 714X... They say on the website that it only works via injection into the lymph nodes - but it seems possible that it could work other ways.
Fasting never seemed to bother me. Everyone is different, though. The liver flushes do make me feel like the lymph ducts are loosening up. I'm still in the process of healing - so, I'll probably know more in a couple of weeks if I'm doing good or damage.
Some people have been reporting that using the Bionic 880 isn't a full cure... Maybe you have to use it more? Maybe the Dr. W technique isn't long enough? Just a passing thought that I had.
I didn't use the LightWorks with nosodes but I did it for longer. I didn't have a good reaction since I had a big detox from my bowels but I think I killed something off. I might have been too extreme but something happened.
I was reading a little about Dr Schulze's techniques & people thought they were extreme - ie: the Incurables Program.... Maybe with some things - you have to push it...? I'm not saying this is for everyone but hell... we're here fighting this crap.
13 years of my life has gone by being too ill to work or do anything. Yet, I can't get disability - what am I supposed to do?
Don't you think having a port with abx is a bit extreme? Some people do that & it seems OK since abx are the way to go for most people... Whichever way we go is a risk.
Thanks to you guys for all the great info you have posted here!
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Thanks Brussels, lymie_in_md, bejoy, sparkle and others for this excellent thread. I believe this type of treatment will hold the key to my own wellness once I can get the ball rolling for myself.
Although I've read all the posts on the topic - what is the latest thinking on how Bionic (or other photon/nosode) treatments work?
I realize the answers may only be theories right now. Do the photons somehow directly kill the pathogens? Or do they instruct the body how to do it? Those are two theories I've heard. Other ideas?
I'd be curious to hear people's thoughts on this...
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Quick little quantum note. Gregg Braden says that photons (which we are made of, obviously) are effected by our thoughts, so think specifically. An experiment was done wiht photons that I think started the quantum science movement.. the photons seemed to "learn" or get info from the thought of the experimentors.. ??
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Sparkle.. test to see how many days in a row for the castor oil packs. Thats what my doctor did for me. The answer was six. She was not too off either. It took many nights and still does when my liver and or gallbladder are acting up. I leave it on a long time too... over night. I fall asleep with it on and with a microwave heated flax bag it stays warm a long time. ??
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I'm not really sure how the photons work but in my experience - they do! I didn't use nosodes but I used the light for longer time than with the Dr. W protocol. I also used the LightWorks - not the Bionic which is stronger.
Thanks, Robin. I did one today & it helped! I don't have a microwave. I just used a heating pad. Yes, EMFs, I know... What can you do?
Kind of thinking what came out of me was something like this???
I may have to start some kind of anti-parasite program. Thinking about MMS in time... I don't think my liver could handle it now.
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Hey, where did my other post go? Hmf. Well, I'll repost - this is from awhile back.... sorry if some of it is a repeat but I can't find my old post.
Selma, you said:
**''Tracy, the testing goes like this with charts: put the point of the pendulum in the middle of the circle (or half circle) and wait there. You make the question, then wait to see what it shows.''**
LOL. Thanks, Selma, but I don't know what the pendulum is SUPPOSED to do on the chart. Is it supposed to swing along the trajectory line of the correct answer on the chart? (I.e., along one of the lines radiating out from the center of the half-circle?)
Bear in mind that I've been dealing with just simple `yes/no' questions, and clockwise or counter-clockwise movements, thus far. But that won't work with a chart. (Sorry to be so ignorant about some of this.)
Interesting about the plexi-glass blocks, Selma..... hmmm.
(I thought I posted this, too....) I've been tempted to go pick up some pieces of rose quartz at the little rock shop here. Rose quartz is supposed to be very protective against stray electromagnetic fields and such, so it could be helpful for me when dowsing. The copper should do that, too, so I can compare the effects. I guess I just like the idea of quartz because it hasn't been `manipulated' by man.
Sparkle, those cleanses might have triggered a simple inflammatory response. In my body, once inflammation starts it doesn't want to go away on it's own without some kind of intervention. So, it's possible that inflammation of your liver or gall bladder could make the toxicity problem appear worse than it really is. Just a thought.
And it seems that you do have some evidence now of parasites, so that could explain your reaction, too. I'm very skeptical that those lymephoto pictures are any kind of mutated Borrelia b..... if anything, they resemble small tapeworms (segmented structure). But who can say what they are, if it's a single organism or a colony, or even what part of the system they got flushed from. But they indicate SOMETHING, for sure.
You mentioned the heating pad..... that reminds me that I found some interesting information about stuff that antidotes homeopathic remedies.... some of it surprised me (no, heating pads don't antidote remedies, BTW). I think I saved some of the info.
I had a really wild thing happen yesterday - it gave me a pretty big scare. I'll post about it when I'm sure I'm `out of the woods'. Sheesh, it's always something.....
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Tracy... Yes, that's what the pendulum is supposed to do, to point to the right answer.
That's why it's easier if you just dray half a circle, then it can swing back and forth and you just care about one direction, not two directions like in full circles.
I hope the scare is gone, Tracy. Don't make us worried!
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Andrew, if you understand what homeopathic nosodes do, than I guess photons WITH nosodes do the same. Homeopathy is not chemical, it's like frequencies imprinted in water making your body do whatever it understands.
Sometimes the body gets the message from a frequency of a pathogen and kill that pathogen. Sometimes, it will use the pathogen frequency to kill other pathogens (like in case of using penicilin homeopathic). It can help killing.
You can use nosodes WITHOUT photons, as I had done, but the effect is weaker.
the surest treatment is the Bionic as it's been used for longer. But not everyone gets all their borrelia dormant EVEN with the Bionic.
Photons with infrared is a strong treatment in my opinion. For me, the EFFECT is not of 'harmonizing', but of killing, at least in lower dilutions (200d and less than 200D). The effect is just that the body starts killing borrelia. Exactly like when we ingest borrelia nosodes.
You need many binders to get the die off toxins away.
In higher borrelia dilutions, the effect is not of killing exactly, but more of 'harmonizing', clearing the footprints left by borrelia infections. That is how it feels.
ONe can only use NOgier to kill too, locally, and mostly only during the photon application, but it is not as effective as nosodes.
Nogier will kill only locally while nosodes through photons act in the whole body and the effect lasts many days, if not weeks.
What we've been seeing here, is that one needs a THOROUGH detoxing follow up to get good results with photons. And that killing borrelia ONLY is not EVERYTHING to become healthy from a day to another. Once borrelia load falls, there are still things to be treated.
Everything is experimental! Like anything with lyme treatment...
What is great, in my opinion, is that with any other killing approach, one needs COMBINATION of killers to get rid of borrelia, and it takes a long time, rotating abx and herbs, tinctures, etc to put borrelia dormant.
With photons, you just need photons + borrelia nosodes, that's it. And not daily, but very sparsely. And your body continues killing, without stop.
While with anything you ingest, the killing effect lasts only hours, then borrelia gains terrain back, then you need to take killers again, and so on......
The disadvantage with photons + nosodes is that, if you don't keep continuouly detoxing, your body IS continuously killing, so... you'll get stuck.
With abx and plants, if you get an overload of die off toxins, you can back off killer intake. With photons, there's no coming back.
As you are an 'old' lyme sufferer by your LN number (!), I'm sure you got experience with detox substances that work well for your body.
The Bionic looks the fastest, so far.
My PE1, I can't use more than one second per gate / accupuncture point, so I suppose that is too short, while the Bionic users use minutes in each accupuncture point.
While I think photons alone can kill borrelia, and they can instruct our bodies to kill borrelia through nosodes, photons can HELP some other critters too!!! So it doesn't kill everything.
Not only us use biophotons, but critters too!
Nogier frequencies are excellent for other things, I use it to strenghten adrenals, to help lymph drainage, kill candida in the tummy area, move heavy metals from stuck points, to help on arthritic pains, tummy pains, back pains, to give me energy. I also used on teeth, and still use it from times to times. I used it after my skin was burnt, and the effect was amazing.
I don't regret having started using photons. It was the best thing that happened to me this year.
I had an appointment with dr. W. but I cancelled it. If I need one day, I know I can still go and try the Bionic, but for the time being, I don't think I need it.
But by what I keep reading here, the Bionic works the best and the fastest for the ones in a hurry!! I mean, if done following dr. W's protocol, with the undiluted borrelia tincture included.
Without the undiluted borrelia, I still have my doubts which is the best machine / approach... We got to still keep reading other people's experiences!!
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Oh, thanks for some explanation of `cavitations', Selma. Sounds almost like a form of `necrosis' (bone death). Yikes!
I guess Camphora (the remedy) has many uses, like most remedies. All I remember is that one major indication is that there is a distinct lack of heat in the body - I guess that's a main sign in Cholera.
Selma, just wondering...... does application of your Camphor product cause you to feel warmer or cooler, either one? I'm curious.
Yes, I still eat small amounts of whole wheat and cottage cheese and butter - and I still eat chocolate and `sweets' and some fast food, and all kinds of things that could be `allergenic'. Which is one reason I want to do the applesauce diet - I want to eliminate virtually ALL foods and see how I feel. I can dowse on what to add back, slowly, and see how it goes. Good way to check my dowsing ability, too.
Antidotes:
I was looking at some homeopathic `antidotes' the other day - common things that can interfere with remedies - and there were some I'd not heard about.
Likely antidotes to homeopathic remedies (but everyone is different):
- coffee (it's not the caffeine, it's the actual coffee beans; tea, Coca-cola, chocolate and even caffeine tablets don't antidote) - camphor (I would include menthol here, too, personally) - Tea Tree Oil (or Melalucca - similar problem as camphor) - essential oils (I know of one case personally where Lavender oil antidoted) - antibiotics and steroids - dental drilling (low and medium-speed are worst; high speed is better) - Cavitron ultrasonic teeth-cleaning devices - acupuncture - mothballs (if exposed for more than a few minutes) - electric blankets (they are okay if turned off before getting in bed; TENS units & heating pads are okay) - geothermal hot springs (full immersion can antidote, but just inhaling the vapors will not; minerals added to the bath at home are okay, too)
Surprisingly, the following substances don't usually antidote (for most people):
- cigarettes (it didn't mention chewing tobacco or pipe-smoking) - tea - most caffeine-containing substances like Coke and chocolate (from above) - alcohol (except those with coffee in them like Kahlua; I've heard beer can antidote) - most allopathic medications (but they can delay or weaken the action of remedies) - recreational drugs (chronic use can end up antidoting, however) - heating pads (from above) - TENS units (from above)
Anyway, thought this was kind of interesting.
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Selma, we posted at the same time.
Don't be alarmed, Selma - I'm still alive and feel okay! But I don't want to say something, then have to come back and correct it. Give me a day or two to make sure of what is happening.
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Sending you good vibes, Tracy!
I have heard that it's the oil in the coffee beans that is counter to homeopathy. How long do you have to avoid these things while taking remedies, though? Some say you have to give them up completely & others say you just have to wait an hour or so...
I still don't know what that was that I passed. I never had any overt symptoms of parasites but I think most people have them to greater or lesser degrees. I tried researching them all day yesterday but I couldn't find anything that looked exactly like what I passed.
I'll probably try some MMS when my liver is better. I think the liver flushes are rough on me for some reason but I think it's been worthwhile. It's good to know I found my sore spot so I can work on getting it better.
When using the infrared light - at this time, it seems the big issue is making sure your organs can detox the pathogens, toxins & taking things to absorb, drain, or bind them.
I used the LightWorks for about an hour a day on various points & with various Nogier frequencies without nosodes. I did this for about 2 - 3 weeks & I had a very strong detox reaction that lasted 2 months.
During those 2 months, I could not tolerate using the LightWorks any more. I kind of threw caution to the wind - but the result was pretty interesting. I was not "cured" but something happened. I know I can't tolerate too much infrared light or I get ill.
My recent findings about my liver situation makes sense in light of the reaction I had. I know other people who can use the LightWorks for hours & they do not have the same reaction.
So, it's probably not a one-size-fits-all solution with any of these infrared devices. Since there are no doctors who really work with this - outside of NDs who may use the Bionic in EU... It's pretty much all experimental.
Everyone is different & may require vast adjustments to these types of protocols.
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Tracy, with camphor, I also wonder, I don't feel anything special. With peppermint, I get cold after, but with camphor, I feel nothing (maybe it's not too strong?). I don't have a pure camphor oil, just something I had to rub on the chest when we catch a cold...
I need to buy the pure oil to check. Then FOR SURE, I'll get camphora homeopathic to test too.
I'm getting addicted to the camphor rubbing. It does something that feels VERY CLOSE to manual lymph drainage feeling.
I either get very relaxed, or very tired, then after, renewed energy comes.
If the camphora homeopathic rubbed on skin moves the lymph as much as the oil is doing, it will be an AMAZING remedy. It tests well every single day for me, daughter and husband.
I'm not rubbing on muscles, only on lymph 'nodes'. Tomorrow I'll try it twice a day.
Even my chlorella amount diminished drastically after introducing rubbed camphor. I feel my shoulder is much softer than usual too, like after manual lymph drainage.
the only problem is that the kidneys get more work to do, and I need rubbing cilantro D6 there again, once a day, probably to help flush toxins / metals out.
My homeopath always says to add alcohol when using homeopathics on skin to increase absorption. My guess is camphora D 200. I'll let you know!
since I started on camphor, parsley tincture stopped testing too, meaning, I need less ingested cleansers. Same for my daughter.
The number of chlorella/ day also dropped to half the amount or even less for us all. It looks promising! It would be great to have something that is equivalent to daily manual lymph drainage!!!
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Thanks, Sparkle.
Ah, the oil in the coffee beans makes sense..... Some people are so sensitive to coffee that they can't use it at all, and even foods with coffee in them will antidote remedies. I don't have that problem, fortunately.
I just try to avoid taking remedies until about 30 minutes after I've finished my coffee in the morning - more as a precaution than anything. My coffee is 2/3 decaffeinated anyway, which could be a factor since some of the oils in the beans will be washed away during the decaf. process. Seems like there have been many times when I've taken remedies before drinking coffee and they still worked. Also, my body is accustomed to drinking coffee every day. If I didn't drink coffee often, it would be more likely to antidote remedies (from what I've read).
Selma, maybe camphor on the lymph nodes isn't enough to make a difference in body temperature or sensation of warmth, etc. It might take rubbing on a large muscle area to feel any difference.
I did a little checking on camphor oil......
Interestingly, camphor has been used in Ayurvedic medicine as a germ killer, and used in Persia as a remedy for the plague. Hmmm.
When distilled, 3 fractions of camphor are produced: white, yellow, and brown camphor. Only white camphor should be used because both the brown and yellow camphor are toxic and carcinogenic. (Gee, I certainly hope there aren't products out there with yellow or brown camphor in them!?)
The Camphor Spirit that I got ages ago at the pharmacy is 84% wood alcohol, and it is definitely poisonous.....(it doesn't indicate what kind of camphor is used in it, either).
BUT, pure Camphor Oil is sold as an `essential oil' here in the USA. And one description I read says that they only use the white camphor. Still, even white camphor can be toxic if ingested. So, caution is in order here even if used topically (since it is absorbed through the skin). Anybody with asthma shouldn't use camphor or breathe the fumes. Seems like a homeopathic might be safer and more effective.
Gee, D200! Seems like a pretty high potency for topical application..... didn't you say you usually found that the lower D potencies work more on the `physical' level, such as lymph drainage?
This could be another one of your important discoveries, Selma!
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Here's a great little true story that illustrates the `germ' versus `terrain' theories of disease!
quote:``Of all the germ distributors, the most notorious is from before our time. Dr Arthur W. Waite of Philadelphia...... wanted in 1916 to kill his father-in-law. He turned out to be an embarrassment to medical science and, by proxy, to the bio-warfare industry.
``In his lab, he had billions of germs, microbes, bacilli, bacteria and vira.
``He fed the old man diphtheria and got no results.
``Then he induced his father-in-law to use a nasal spray, in which he planted whole colonies of tuberculosis. Not a single cough was heard.
``Next he fed him calomel [used as a cathartic and an insecticide], to weaken his resistance. He tried typhoid; he tried the flu. He tried pneumonia and dysentery.
``He even sent the plague and when all these germs failed to do the intended, he went common and used Arsenic. That worked!
``If anything, one gets the impression that diets and inhalations of germs, bacilli and microbes, bacteria and vira are good for your health. ``
(Fort C. - The Book of the Damned)
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Gee Tracy, what's that story???
The dr's father in law must have been in great health not to be sick with all these germs!!!!
Thanks for all the info on camphor!
As for the D200, I don't know, I just tested it from here without having the substance in my hands. I have to get it in my hands to be sure, then use it, and compare results.
Thanks for saying it can be toxic. I suppose most things are toxic, in great amounts. That's why I'm trying to use the homeopathic version...
I keep asking if it is killing any pathogen on myself and daughter and the answer comes negative. But we're in sort of limbo for pathogens now, nothing really testing active... It may be a killer as it's used for colds too.
If the D200 doesn't work well, I'll try a few other dilutions to see. Or I'll make my own from an original solution /oil.... Better the D than C or it can knock me down!!
I'm sort of excited to try it!!! I find lymph one of the most difficult systems to deal with, and when the lymph finally flows with manual lymph drainage, cardamon, or some customed homeopathics, the feeling is amazing, soo relaxing.
But if camphor (homeopathic or not) works 'mechanically', not custom tested, like cardamon, that would be a great substance to add. But if it is toxic, I don't see it testing long term... unless in the homeopathic version.
Maybe in the future I'll need lower dilutions, or the M or LM dilutions??
This could be a GREAT help for me to say farewell to my hands and feet fungal problems. My feet are much better since I bought the PE1, but my hands keep having an infection or other coming back. Especially when photons cannot kill the pathogen that appears there (because it feeds these pathogens?...).
Candidas and mucor don't like infrared, but the pathogens that remained in the end seemed to have enjoyed my PE1 too!!!
These fungal problems were prelyme, very old problems... They are quiet for a couple of days now, but until when....
If the lymph keeps moving till fingers / toes, I don't think there's much chance for pathogens to grow there. And it will be easier to do metal detox there too... I suppose.
I feel like the more I clean heavy metals, I get them out of stuck places and into my blood, then these fungal infections reactivate in my extremities.
As though the metals I flushed from somewhere else deposited in my extremities due to sluggish lymph drainage and then fungi grew there. That's my feeling after all these years trying to take heavy metals out from my body.
Before metal detoxing, before lyme, I only got these feet infections during cold months, when my feet were like ice. Again, bad circulation reactivating pathogens.
If my lymph keeps moving, I wonder if these pathogens will have enough toxins in my extremities to grow and be happy there. Hopefully not.
I suppose many lyme sufferers have pathogens in their feet (as most have cracking heels), but not all have symptoms?!
It was interesting to read someone else here in LN taking blood out from fingers and comparing to vessel blood. He said that when he check his own blod in the microscope, he saw MANY more pathogens in finger blood than in vessels!! It looks logic, doesn't it?
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This article is very good about Fungal Infections -
Have you thought of trying ozone (like ozonated olive oil salve), colloidal silver or alkalizing the body with baking soda/lemon, Selma?
Thanks for the info about camphor, Tracy. I have used cheap spirits of camphor for a herpes infection on my mouth many years ago. It heals it very quickly. It's an ingredient in a popular lip salve called Carmex.
I kind of stopped using it when I heard it could be carcinogenic. It's probably OK if it's the white kind & used in moderation. Garlic is carcinogenic according to Hulda Clark... so, you never know. It also depends on the other toxins or chemicals present.
Strange story about Dr. Waite... Sort of like an old timey Chemical Ali... What happened to his Hippocratic Oath?
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PS - I have re-read some of this thread. All I can say is that Alv was right!
Thanks Alv!
I think I was in denial about the parasite issue... If I had it to do over again - I would do the Hulda Clark methods in the proper order... not start with the liver flush. It may take longer but it's worth it.
I really had no recognizable symptoms of parasites. I guess to someone who knows, it may have been more overt.
At this time, I feel parasite detox is really an important aspect of treating ourselves.
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Yes, voting for Alv too!!!
I never tried colloidal silver, I'm also in denial (just the name silver makes me get away from the back door).... I'd rather try other killers.
I don't think I need more candida-fungal killers for the moment. My main problem must be somewhere else.
The article was good, I'm in the SAnum protocol since September last year. Alkalinizing the body is just a tiny part of the healing process. As I said, these ingested alkalinizers do very little for me.
What I prefer is the Sanuvis, lactic acid dilutions, mostly to rub on, as my tissues are acid sometimes, but not my blood. Every time an infection takes hold of my skin, the skin tests acid. So I just rub on it. It rarely tests for ingestion for many months.
All the normal Sanum products are not testing for me, for the moment. My last strains of fungi were different from the Sanum ones, they are also quiet now.
I'm still needing the lymphatic drainage camphora (I started with the homeopathic version D200, so far so good), and still wake up with bits of swollen fingers, so there may be killing going on in my body, even if I'm not taking any killer.
Possibly from my teeth that was ozonated last week, possibly from these fungal strains that try to hang on...
I guess Hulda C. is right on the parasite having candida all over their bodies. Kill the parasites, then candida wouldn't return ??
When I ask if I have liver parasites, I get a yes. I can't find which though. I guess I have to get a go on a liver flush too!!!
Do you use her liver flush recipy, Sparkle? I guess I have to go back to this thread too...
For the moment, my infections are all quiet... But I'd rather do something else than my camphora D200 rubbing to really keep them away for good though.
As for clostridium, that Clark believes is linked to cancer, I already tested for some of the strains (there are quite a few!) and treated them with photons. They so far, they didn't come back.
I was surprised to see she sees Clostridium in most pre-cancer patients.
I don't have any flukes nosodes though. I guess I have to contact the people who sell things for Bicom to get these? They shall have the nosodes, if I understood well... I'd be curious to test them in the cancer people around...
If Alv or anyone knows where to find these fluke nosodes or photos to test, I'll be glad!!
Sparkle, when I started this thread, you barely believed you needed more detox, now you are on a detox craze (more than myself!).
You didn't believed you had parasites, now you start to be a believer.
The next thing I'll try to convince you is the bad effect of EMRs. These are real killers too!!!
I mean, just joking, but all these crazy things we are doing here, the detox craze, heavy metals detox, chemical products avoidance, vaccination detox and avoidance, stricter diets, cavitations cleaning, root canals off, amalgams off, plastics in the body = bad, metal in the body or mouth = bad, scars (many are also a must to treat),
psychological load impacting health in many levels, parasite crazy theories, candidal infections and many other fungal and mold infections crazy theories, mycotoxins being worse than infections themselves,
the allergy problem, trying to correct the body to recognize toxins so that it flushs them out, the bad EMRs and avoiding these... all these stuff impact our health in profound ways. I believe that all now.
But before I caught lyme, I would have put people believing on all those stuff above in a sanatorium for mental treatment.
What I still can't believe is that we are sick mostly due to genetic deffects and that this is irreversible. I still can't buy that theory for most of us...
Who knows one day someone convinces me, that we have to be on medications for the rest of my life to correct my genetic deffect and be able to detox or whatever?
My aim is never ever take any prescription medicine for more than a few days, only in acute cases.
I see my parents being poisoned by these anti-everything medicines they take for years, my grand parents, and they just keep sick, hypertensive, diabetic, now with neurological symptoms, now staring to get infections they never got,
They still get their annual flu vaccinations recommended by doctors, and start to feel the brain effect of all that (some sort of Alzenheimer symptoms), eyes getting bad due to diabetis (soon need operation) etc etc.
Every year, the number of prescription medicines they take increase, and their health decrease.
I'm terribly allergic to these types of treatment, using acute disease remedies to treat chronic conditions. It makes zero sense. But they follow their doctors, who am I to say the contrary?
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I wouldn't have known about the gall stones & the flukes if I didn't do the liver flush. Bob twisted my arm - LOL... I figured, what the hell, I'll try it.
I had no idea I had so much garbage in there. The liver is very resilient. It can take alot of abuse. The body just stores all of this stuff up & then we don't know why we are so ill.
I think all of these types of health issues are our generation's illnesses. It's not natural that so many of us are so ill, so young. Our parent's issues were diabetes, heart disease, cancer... for us, I believe, it's all of these weird pathogens & chemicals.
The connections with these funguses, yeasts, molds & the viruses, bacteria, parasites is horrifying...
Then, many of us may get the other big 3 diabetes, heart disease, cancer on top of that - later in life. I hope not but that's what it seems like.
I'm not going to rule out any treatments but the drugs seem dangerous to me. Abx cause fungal growth. I think they are derived from fungus - so, it seems like not the best idea to use them long term.
Metallic Blue posted alot of articles that they don't really help long term in many cases, either... I believe it just makes all these bugs dormant for a while & people think they are better.
Maybe if you catch it right away? I don't know... It's hard to say if these things ever leave the system. MMS is looking better & better to me. It's severe but maybe if we go slow & use it cautiously - it can be a big help. It's only $20...
I think Bob had good results with it. If you do the Hulda Clark method - do it in the proper order. Don't be thick-headed like I was.
Also- I believe some of our energetic testing can be influenced by our own biases. It may be helpful if we can help each other out by checking on the testing for each other.
I tested no for parasites. I think I was in denial about the issue since the idea of it grossed me out. I was trying to be open but somewhere in my mind I didn't like the idea of it.
This may influence our results.
I agree with you, Selma, about the EMFs... It's all a deadly combination - with all the other things. Tails used to post all kinds of stuff about this.
It's hard... We don't live in caves without electricity. Even if we made faraday cages - there's EMFs all around.
Anyway - off to doing something else... Take care!
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Hi Selma!
I have been and am herxing on babesia treatments and have been for 12 days so far.That is the reason that have not posted lately not that I am ignoring.
Most of time was in bed and had a great day following another herx.
I learned by dowsing that I have had Babesia DIVERGENS ( european strain ) for 20 years .ALso besides MICROTI that I got 8 1/2 years ago ( that is equinine piroplasmosis ) and Duncani on top of it after a trip in woods in a PARK( public park /reservouar with my family ..
Liver FLUKES will never ever get rid of with light and none of the worms.
THE ZAPPER( that I have talked before ULTIMATE ZAPPER ) and herbs ( based on HULDAS protocoll) all her protocolls are the only way -to go after them .
I have used ALL the programs ( Dr SChultze) -exactly by the T for KIDNEY ,GUT,colons and LIVER.They are very gentle and should be used first from somebody that is VERY TOXIC.
Than you can go for HULDAS as I did .I also have done ( before I knew about LYME) SANDRA CABOT diet and her protocoll -3 months.
I have used all the herbs from Cureone.COM
This is the best forum on parasite cleansing if you need to go after. Somebody will insist that light can kill them easy ( yes if you know what you have ) and not every body knows how to test.It took me months and years to test and find all I have.
Also the adult worms will be killed only on HULDA CLARCK treatment.
I followed it with 5 liver flushes . You will see in CUREZONE that humaworm will say that if you have lyme than you need to retreat the parasites due to the fact that borrelia carries them in the other parts of the body and the brain .
When I will get better I will be back on the charts .I just need time to get better.My protocoll is strong .
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Alv, so sorry you are going through this. I probably had babesia divergens twice, as I was bitten here in Switzerland and got reinfected twice.
I'm just copy pasting a very old thread of mine, with herbs I took, who knows you get an inspiration there? I think it is EXTREMELY important to address cysts of babesia. The dormant form, whatever you call it. Cyst treatment and active form react to TOTALLY different products. I don't remember finding any that killed both forms.
I could get to almost symptomless only treating active forms of babesia but when I stopped treatment, I got babesia back. I believe that what made me symptomless after the treatment I will copy paste here, is that I addressed both forms. It's only based on energetic tests though. But it worked, as I never got it back again after the treatment I described here: -----------------------------------------------
I think I got rid of my second babesial infection. At least, my lyme doctor couldn't find it anymore (nor me).
I only do energetic testing, and so does my doctor (ART), so skip the post if you don't believe on these types of diagnostic. I'm symptom free too, of course. No brain fog, no sweats, no change of body temperature, no hot flushes, etc.
I believe there are two levels to treat babesia: first is to kill lots of them, when you get next to symptom free; the treatment has to be aggressive. Second level is to try to get rid of cysts to avoid relapses; this is the most difficult in my opinion.
Then another thing to have in mind in my opinion is that babesia loves the intestines and it loves the brain. So we need things to kill on both.
My first babesial infection in 2005-2006 was treated with: - Riamet (knocked all symptoms of 4 months very fast but I relapsed 2 weeks after); turmeric/ curcuma; artemisinin low doses 30 days (relapsed); artemisinin high doses 3 days then repeated 2 weeks later (relapsed and was sent to emergency with air hunger attacks); what finally did the trick was PC-Noni low doses for a few months. It's a cyst buster.
With this time infection, I couldn't get rid of relapses only with PC-Noni. --------------------------
Here's more or less what I did for this time babesial re-infection. I started having night sweats and strong brain fog in the 2nd night after tick bite in May. I had nigh sweats every night for a while and that convinced me I had babesia again. ART tested positive (2 practioners) and my kinesiological tests too.
I took then (in May/part of June): - homeopathic tick 'soup' from the tick that bit me (started potency 30C or so and went up to 65C) for about 2.5- 3 months
- ledum 200C - gets babs (few globules, once every couple of days)
- PC- Noni tincture (from Biopure, gets babs' cysts), 4-15 drops a day for about 3.5 months
- thyroid sarcode homeopathic for thyroid support (as my thyroid gets messed up everytime babesia is flaring, for about 3 months)
- iron supplements + iron homeopathic (also a babesial symptom; I get lower amounts of Ferritin in the blood very fast with babesia for 2.5 months)
- lots of cleansers: specially chlorella, bear garlic tincture, and loads of MSM, plus some lymph support (for that I use homeopathics mostly OR lymph drainage, but I keep reading red root can do wonders too). This mix of cleansers kept my brain functioning. Sometimes I added chitosan, mucuna bean powder (intestines) and Destroxin. And also a mystery oil (I will call it Endoflex, but I'm not sure, rubbed on skin).
- frozen garlic (gets babs in the intestines very well; but it doesn't cross B/B barrier according to my tests)- 3 "00" capsules a day, after meals. It tested very good for acute phase (middle term: about 1.5 months or so)
- gardenia decoction (it was my main babesia killer, together with phellodendron decoction) (amount: was about 10-15 'fruits' a day for about 3 months)
- phellodendron: gets babesia and other stuff, according to my tests it crosses b/b barrier. (I took decoctions for more than 2 months, 1-2 soup spoons). It has berberine as a chemical component (it gives to it its yellow color).
- Artemisia annua decoction: twice a day (it tests better than powder; I took it for less than 1 month; then was on and off when it tested, but not too much).[it can't be taken together with other decoctions]
- astragalus: on and off, tested good for babesia acute infection.
- KMT program 2 (babesia and borrelia). (on and off)
- bee pollen (helps to get bab's cysts; I took on and off, when it tested, short term)
- artemisinin low doses (about 300mg/400mg a day for about 5 days, then pause for 3 days then continue for about 3 weeks) (artemisinin doesn't get cysts)
- pau d'arco tincture tested once as babs cyst buster (but I didn't retest it to check; I use it still for candida; this time reinfection, it was useful, it tested on and off).
- grapefruit seed extract: tested as babs cyst buster too, but only in the GI tract (it doesn't cross b/b barrier); it never tests good for too long (few days only)
- gervao (rain-tree): gets babs' cysts: it tested very good as it gets so many other things, I took it for about 2 months (or more).
- neem tested good against babesia, but my body can't take it, so I didn't take it.
- cats claw + Japanese knotweed: always (I don't know if they get babs, but I was on these for the whole time).
------------------------- In June, when I was getting desperate I couldn't get rid of babesia with low artemisinin again, I decided to do a high dose treatment of artemisinin (1,000mg/ day) and high doses turmeric (6 teaspoons/ day) in combo for 3 days, repeated in two weeks interval to lower the number of critters. Turmeric hits hard on the stomach, so I did with full stomach, while artemisinin I used with empty stomach.
First high dose treatment I herxed immensely. I felt very toxic. Second treatment, I almost didn't herx, nor felt ANY toxicity in 90% of the time (except for the first dose of 400mg artemisinin in the first day, then NOTHING in the following 2 days).
I also took pyrogenum 200K, as it tested good to get babs and babs' cysts (3 globules/ day for a week).
I thought I was rid of it, but symptoms came back fast after stopping artemisinin. In about 2 days, I felt fatigue, chills, brain fog, etc. Exactly like my first babesial infection. Babesia kept coming back and back again.
------------- About July: - amargo (rain-tree): gets babesia (it doesn't cross b/b barrier, it seems, only gets babs in the GI tract and in blood). [watch out for side effects though, better to test for each organ and use it only temporarily] It's used for malaria. It is to be used very short term (less than artemisinin). I took 2 "00" capsules if I remember well, but it's too strong.
- gervao + phellodendron continued
- turmeric lower doses
- pc-noni: 15 drops or so
- KMT program 2 on and off ----------------------------
The babesial load was much smaller by the end of July, but still there. That's when I discovered CARDAMON by chance. That was what was missing to get the rest of cysts this time.
I introduced cardamon seeds in powder (mixed in my tea, 2-3 times a day), and I think my babesia hated it. I felt my brain clearing while still having my cup of tea with cardamon.
Then few days on cardamom + pc-noni, I finally got an EM rash, which meant, borrelia surfacing again. Exactly like with my first babesial infection. Once I got it down (that time, only with PC-Noni), borrelia surfaced. This time, I needed the PC-Noni and the cardamon to get it down.
------------- So AFTER the aggressive treatments above, my cyst treatment was:
- lonicerae caulis decoction: test good against babs and bart (I took it short term, about a week or so; it can be mixed with gardenia + phellodendron decoction).
- Allicin from Wonderlabs (2), milder than frozen garlic;
- cardamon in powder in my tea (2-3 times a day),
- ledum homeopathic 200K once every 3 days or so, 3-4 globules each time (tests against babs and borrelia) (it must have a 10 minute interval from everything else, before and after intake).
- Pc-Noni was testing at that time at about 15-35 drops a day (I put in a bottle and drank separately from cats claw; 2 times a day).
This is what did the trick this time. I'm not treating babesia since about middle of August.
But I know it can still be hiding as ALL of my other coinfections (and inclusive borrelia).
This IS a messy and long report! BAbesia was the most difficult coinfection for me to get rid of this time. I'm still crossing fingers for it not to come back as I HATE babesia!
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Another note. I just discovered which parasite I have in my liver, it's malaria tropica....
That's what is testing. Just tested for cloves for it... Tested positive for photons of nosode there. I feel no symptom but I will treat it.
I also found ricketsia in the ozonated tooth my doctor treated last week. No pain, no symptom, just by energetic tests. Borrelia remains dormant.
I'm so energetic though, but NOT free of infections then...
gosh, I just read the site of Hulda Clark on teeth treatment... Is that what you are doing, Alv? It looks pretty complex and awful...
I hope you'll get out of babs. That was for me the worst to get rid of. The most difficult for sure, horrible herxes. Sending you a positive thought!
Thanks for parasite cleansing stuff. I'll get to read more soon. Crossing fingers your babs treatment will be successful!! Concentrate on cleansers.
I just found out that MSM diluted to D3 tests better than original powder, so I'm also rubbing it on my liver or taking few drops. Feeling is great!
Cardamon now is used by one important follower of dr. K. in the US, I heard. She tests many of her patients for that and they come positive.
Give it a try, it's cheap, tasty and wonderful. There's one text about killing properties of cardamon I found from a herbalist. I'll see if I can find it again and copy paste here...
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Thanks a lot SELMA!
I already have saved most of this from your previous post.Have tested almost half of them .Like pc noni etc says are not needed now.
My load is high and MALARONE is getting them already in CYST but I know in the future will continue to chase them with herbs.
Some things do not test now so I am going with what is testing due to diferent strains of babs.Seems Duncani is almost gone.I have done things against babesia for 3 years and now i am dealing with it strongly and will continue.
The nosodes did not killed it.The Cyst options that you are offering are awsome.Gotta collect them and be ready to use them on the future.I like DECOCTIONS.I used to drink glasses all day long on BART treatment every day like tea and was very strong.
I can feel finally my brain is exspanding as I felt for almost 8 years like my head was under the preasure of two walls concrete type and squizing both sides of my head and on the top of the head I always felt LIKE I WAS CARRYING A HEAVY tile with me all the time.
I recall it felt like I could not hold my head and had hard time keeping it straight. BUt I am glad you included it again to start collecting some of the things you mentioned as I AM gona treat my son as well .Thank GOD he is an engel and HE NEVER complained to drink any of the OWFUL DECOCTIONS never.He drink them all .
The homepathic did not do much in my case not even nosodes that I ordered in all potencies up to 1000K.
So I guess my body wanted to treat all of them at the same time.I started as it was stressing that I NEED to go for a 3 months treatment ,NOW -before was saying that I needed to treat other things and NOW came imperative.YES I was seeing as it was becoming VERY ACTIVE again.
I finally can see in light without squizing due to the sun light.This has been with me for decades no wonder is not easy .
Thanks so much for posting.HATE this disease .It sucks the life out of you !!!I so want them DEAD!!
True in my case lyme and bart came out when I knocked the high load of babs , the first time as well... I was doing SUPPER dosages of HULDA without knowing I was HITTING BABS and BART and LYME went CRAZY !!!
That is exactly what I have seen as one reduces the other comes up and we keep treating until shuts up for good and the body can tolerate VERY HIGH dosages when you retreat.
By the way ( was told by the doctor) no way to take binders while in babs treatment.Gota let everything accumulate and at least be in there for at least 8 straight weeks.I was ready to jump right away as i am able to handle it.
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Thank you so much for answering my question about how photon therapy works. I realize this therapy is still in its infancy, and anyone using it is contributing to learning about what it does and the potential it has.
It sounds like much of it is still theoretical, or based on subjective experience. But that is a great start! I am convinced it will become a major healing modality once more people use it and more is understood about it.
Thanks for your warning about using lots of binders/detox with photons. Yes, I have been here on LymeNet an awfully long time! I hope that soon I can be one of the people offering more help in this area than asking for it.
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Interesting... I don't think I have babs or bart. It's hard to say, though. I didn't think I had parasites. I think you can have these things & not have symptoms. If you don't have symptoms - do you think it needs to be treated?
I'm taking the wormwood, black walnut hulls & cloves... It feels like I'm having some kind of herx. My back & especially my shoulders are really painful. I am seeing some flukes coming out. Not in droves, but some.
I haven't seen any other kinds of parasites - but they may be there. Maybe micro parasites???
I'm pretty tired today. I'm so tired of being ill... The past few months have been pretty grueling. I spend way too much time thinking of how to get well.
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Selma !I just read your second post .You were posting while I was typing so I missed it.
YES If you remember I have send you exactly that protocoll 2 years ago in your email.You were about to remove a root canal.Do you remember? YES I have followed it by the T.
I was about to FLY in Mexico to remove them based on HULDAS protocoll.I even made my BIOLOGIST dentist to follow my protocol in USA after I was too weak to fly .And the Naturopath that was right there with me ( and biofeeback ) used the material ( bleach TYPE) form based on her store.
I have used her products for a while as well as they are cleared from toxics material and tested with HER syncrometer type .
Oh by the way they use ZAPICATOR ...it zaps the food from pathogens...stil have not gone to that line to own one for future purposes( with all the fruits and disease that are in vegies as they are comming from tropical places and sprinkled with dirty water-SURPRISE right -found out a a study -strawberries )
I am telling that this women is a GENIOUS.She used vilas and diferent forms to test people.That is exactly what made her to heal people.KIND of our type of testing.
My biologist dentis followes her protocoll -I was the only one that did not accepted to do a impression -as the material after I called the lab had alumin and another ingredient ( can not recall was in december 2006 back than ) that with a gum bleading would have been going right to the brain and could not even chelate.
YES malaria TROPIC( check plasmodium vivax and falciparium ) too ....they are in the same family and is in EUROPE ( no kidding ) I have had to order nosodes for it.But even though K1000 was cleared still was there.My LOAD is VERY VERY HIGH.
Thanks so much for the list of herbs.Gota make orders and will test as I go .Now I tested for 8 artemisin .Can you imagine 6400mg a DAY !!My body is craving for it and butter -I am eating it with SPOON .AND I just have had a lift in my brain .WOW...so long had lost many feelings due to it.
Sparkle ...parasites are so many you have no idea.I gave up sometime on what was this and that AS I WAS LOADED.
You will not see them as the center of stones are the dead parasites that our liver collects due to the blood pumping in there.CONSISTANTLY .
If you read HULDAS book she will exsplain that shoulde pain is due to the stones in liver.In your case I am sure you have certain cyst of any parasites.Finding is not easy.You need to treat and use a ZAPPER .Is cheap and you will not regret. The ultimate zapper that I have mentioned a while ago is the best and saves on batery.
I use to replace my handles with the alumin foil covered in wet paper towel and put them at my feet while I was watching TV and or using COMPUTER -all day long no kidding .
You also can find her as cheapest protocoll of cleansings and they are great products check at HULDAS store that I included above.
I have used this stuff and every thing else that I have mentioned almost for 2 years cleansing -before beeing ready to start with antibiotics( was too late to handle just ANTIBIOTICS) was including RIFE, TONS of herbs and UV blood iradiation at that time.
If you read on curezone -you will read that YES WE HAVE PARASITES( micro are even worst to catch) than adults.I used to freak out than but not anymore.You kind of go into stages of terifying to beeing able to handle way more and be serious to eradicate them .
Sparkle.You say that you do not think that you have babs or bart....there are so many unknowing things that there is not even vials for them .So that is why sometimes ART does not help.As you show negative on testing for what you test.There are so many other things that we might not have names.Or we test for JUST ONE stage of a BUG and seems GONE but comes back as there are other stages( tissue) that without a vial you can not test.
With my pendulum I always include OTHER -as an option -UNKNOWN and than this one leads me to break it down in WHAT is it ? A ricketsia , a parasite , a babs form , a protozoa, virus family , protozoa family , .etc..list after list.
I found the strains I have after so much research ...and for one says UNKNOWN BABS ( I do not care than what is the name ) and I go to the other chart in what kills it.I use my other chart to see what is the best option to treat this type of pathogen.I include all as LIGHT , nosodes, RIfe, Drugs only, HERBS, Drugs and HERBS etc.It never lies.
Than let say I get the answer DRUGS and HERBS.I continue asking on how many thing in TOTAL.It comes like 4 .Than I go further using the chart ( or I build it up after so much search on what can treat them ).Always include unknown.Sure is somthing out there that has not been found yet.
After that I ask what are the best options in my case based on that CHART where the entire names of the killers for that PATHOGENS are included.LEt say BABS ...and it will list the major ones for sure.
SELMA thanks for the names of herbs again .Even on herbs I put other ( because i know is somthing out there that I DO NOT KNOW NOW).
Check the website that I have send you once and you made an order.They have nosodes in 12, 15, 30 and D200 dilutions or pallets.
MAYBE you can treat it with light .You can use only a few ( sometimes for me comes like 7-8 pallets are enough) and you save the rest for somebody that needs them later. If you do not remember the link let me know.Is the first one I send you last year.Also you can order them where you ordered GARINI!
Ricketsia is the tricky part.I have found it in other people in GERMANY when I tested them .YEs is present everywhere and is the reason of MS.
The person I tested have had it only in the liver.The partner had some in the brain AND I COULD see that one has hesition to remember thing ( as there was some ricktsia in the brain ) They had no borrelia but BART as well. You also can find it there or where you got the GARINI !
You need to break it down on which type of ricketsia the entire list of them .Than include unknown . If you can jot it down try with NOSODES.To me comes that nothing can eradicate them only RIFE and NOSODES and LIGHT .SO I know that this is the way to go.
You just have to find which one.I have had to break down my ricketsia on the entire list that was found from the search and found I have Q FEVER .I have had it in my system since 30 years ago.But I know that nosodes and rife will take care of it.Had to shut it up 1 month ago with RIFE for 1 week.
Today afternoon I feel like my shoulders are finally mine .YESTERDAY they were hurting like hell .By the way I test negative for MSM ( used it 2 1/2 years ago ) as I bought a big bag when the FDA were trying to shut down the main REDISTRIBUTION center.They sent a warning back than so I bought it.It can be saved a lifetime no problem.
Well we know that this one is number one as a transporter of anything to the cellullar level ( I hae problem with it and garlic ) .And is great product for arthritis and peopel find relief from it so they are not in painkillers( also it does stop all the bugs to not succumb the nutritions from our cells during the time that is in our systm .( tick borne illnes are involved and protozoas mostly are there for sure ).
So far I am taking what test for me and if they stop testing I stop and change on what test for me.BUt the list of new names is exciting so I can continue taking CYST buster later on even if I put it in remision.
Nogier frequencies are excellent for other things, I use it to strenghten adrenals, to help lymph drainage, kill candida in the tummy area, move heavy metals from stuck points, to help on arthritic pains, tummy pains, back pains, to give me energy. I also used on teeth, and still use it from times to times. I used it after my skin was burnt, and the effect was amazing.
Selma, How do you use the Nogier for the heavy metals and candida, adrenals... I can see with the others.
Thanks:-) Robin
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Girls, you are wonderful! Thank you so much for the wonderful info, Alv and everyone.
I'm not anymore desperate to kill like before. Really not. I'm in peace for the moment and enjoying this 'safe' feeling, even though I still test for malaria and rickettsia. They are NOT widespread and cause no symptom that I can track.
Thanks Alvs, I will take a look into the sites of HC!
What do you think about the teeth zapicator to treat CAVITATIONS? Do you think this is effective?
Doctor is using ozone on mine now, he said dr. K. is also now proposing that BEFORE pulling the tooth. Have you ever treated CAVITATION with a zappicator?
----- Yes, Sparkle. I AM going to treat them. Like clostridium spp, now that I know that it causes cancer or it's linked to cancer, with or without symptoms, I'll treat it.
When the cancer symptom shows up, it may be too late, if you see what I mean.
Same as parasites. You said you had no symptom of parasites, right? And now you sort of can see the importance of getting rid of them, specially for your liver.... Same for me.
No symptom doesn't mean, no need for treatment. Specially when you do energetic tests, as you can see many things BEFORE symptoms show up.
My daughter, no one believes she is sick with borrelia. She's the fastest runner of her class, very advanced socially, one of the smartest for sure according to the teachers, and she still has borrelia hidden in her brain and knees, tummy, liver, whatever. She just doesn't show symptoms most of the times.
This is very true when we treat with photons, as the body keeps on killing, doing its job, and we remain symptomless most of the times. It doesn't mean we don't have lyme.
After my clove tea, I am also having some strange bowel movements. Nothing serious, but it is doing something. It tests as enough to get my malaria trop. in the liver. I grew up in the tropics and often traveled in equatorial countries, with different strains of malaria, so it's not impossible.
Same as heavy metals. They don't cause me any symptom in my mouth anymore, but I think I still have Cerium somewhere (it tests so), so I WILL try to extract this from where it is, even if it takes me to have to pull the tooth off.
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I wonder what HULDA CLARK suggests for PARTIAL denture MATERIALS. Do you know Alv?? I'm using gold, special alloy tested for all single metals to see if they would be compatible with me. But I still wonder. I know she doesn't think gold is good.
If I knew a solution for PARTIALS that could go IN THE FRONT TEETH, that would be a great thing as I am still keeping a root canaled tooth there for lack of options of partial materials. I can't see myself with a golden smile... Valplast, Flexite partials, I don't know, maybe HC has a special suggestion for partials???
The rickettsia, I had fought with it many times before. Me and daughter. Never was a big issue like babesia, bart and borrelia for us. It went dormant fast, but I see it's in my tooth... My tooth was almost dead according to my lyme doctor, almost necrosed. He's trying to save it with ozone.
I just photooned the rickettsial vial I had from Meripharm, and it went now 'not testing', so I guess I got it?
My malaria trop. also go to 'no testing' when I drank clove decoction. I do feel malaria is not too strong in my case. I must have harbored these malaria for decades. I just see it as 'peeling the onion' treatment.
I hope you, Alv, will feel MUCH better once babesia is dormant. It may take time as it's a stubborn pathogen, but your BRAIN will thank you.
Funny the theory of no binders. I wouldn't be able to survive without my MSM while killing so many infections, babesia included. Babesia was THE MOST TOXIC pathogen I even fought. More than candida, in my opinion. Borrelia toxins are VERY mild in comparison.
I got it twice, I fought it twice. The pattern repeated, suffering, fog, extreme fatigue, extreme feeling of toxicity...
Now I don't hate babesia anymore. I think I made peace with it!! My daughter never suffered so much from her babesial infection, even though she might have got the same strain as I. She never developed the typical babesial symptoms like I had.
----- Alv, I decided to go on building charts too. But I don't use my pendulum, I just use my hands or plexi glass, as I find my pendulum too slow and I still can't trust it as my own hands.
I just like to have all these substances/ remedies in front in the charts, it looks easier to find things. Not pathogens, but remedies only though... After, I just have to go to my own collection of remedies and re-test them to confirm.
So far, I'm enjoying building the charts... I will do more with the time!!
--- Robin, again muscle tested... I just put my hands on the area, ask the trouble (metals, candida, whatever), if the Nogier can help for that specific trouble, if yes, then ask potency, frequency and time, then I treat it.
If I want to confirm, I just get the heavy metal vials, test again, do the NOgier, then test if the heavy metal is being mobilized.
Send me your saliva, I can test for you to see if it helps. I do that for some people with the PE1, it seems to work (these remote tests to find out programs). Or just ask your biotensor / pendulum. Dr. W. developed all the protocol based on energetic tests as far as I understood.
Candida always needs treatment in the belly area then on the symptomatic part. Different Nogier frequencies tests for each part usually.
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Andrew, you're welcome. Yes, it is all very experimental!
But what with lyme treatment isn't???
What is less experimental with infra red is the pain control, muscle pain treatments, bruise, burns treatments...
Nosodes + infra red, that's PRETTY much very experimental.
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Selma! There is no safe materials so far.I have had my bridges with GOLD made in GERMANY and I removed them all.I recall that I was compleining for the TMJ 15 years ago.They thought were my mollars that were not able to come out due to not eanough space there.
I recall my surgery -that was followed imidiatly with an infection of all the teeths beside the ADULT mollars( that is when the cavitations started) .I can not forget the suffering and teh pain I endured.Than when I went the second time the surgeon said that I need to do all the root canals as they got infected in a WEEK.
HMM babesia divergens went in very easy and ruined them .The materials are not safe but the biologist here can run a test to find what is your body compatible with so the ingredient are in harmony with your body.
MY partials are not used very rarely.Thank GOOD by chasing BABS so strongly and will in the future with herbs will save my frontal teeths( they are all there thank GOOD with no root canals ) .All alive nerves.Microti and DUNCANI send the gums out of proportion in my case.
My mollars were so infected and were PUSSY ( deep in the bone) and the biopsy showed severe infection.In no way I could have saved them.YES that was my intention in the begining .I could have saved only 2 but not the rest .Mostly my right side -they were way infected deep in bone.
The doctor had to continue cleaning while checking with the BIOFEEDBACK tightened in my fingers to see the ability of the part to heal.HE worked MORE THAN IN ANY OTHER Patient that he had in his entire life.
I was the worst scenario that he has had ever seen.SO it was not my case.Maybe sombody else..I was too late.
MSM HELPES to send the vitamin and herbs deeper in cellular level and also has been helping you in BABESIA as it stoped it from sucking and doing more damaging in your body ( kind of freezing it up) .But in my case -I do not do well on it and do not test well on it.
YES the BEST DR of treating babs RECOMENDED NO BINDER.Only after I put it in remision should be followed agresivly but not when you are killing it.NADA. My test showed the same in my case.You can try the zapicator and save the frontal tooth -with ozone.This was offered to me from the dentist ( I knew and was aware of this ) but I did not accepted it as I knew that I have had 15 year sufering from the pain there and I knew I have had infections.
Even though he had HIGH tec ( X rays ) he could have not beilived that only when he removed them he could see so much infection in my chick.He had to open the window.He was astonished.I went with what my gut told me. http://lymebook.com/stealth-killer-nordquist
Click on the website and see what is going on in our JAW !!MAYBE in the future they might find a solution to save the TOOTH or IMPLANTS that people use ( and they are COSTLY ).
So far I am not concern on partials as I know there is not such material.You have to compromise( by doing that test).
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Electrodermal Screening
Serum Blood Testing: via Clifford Consulting and Research Lab
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Selma, you really have to be careful about the dental materials used for the denture or partial. I was watching a Hulda Clark interview - she was testing a partial from a lady who had cancer.
Dr. Clark was saying that the materials from the partial were at the root of what was causing the cancer.
I'll try to find the link for the video. It was on Youtube. You could just do a search there for Hulda Clark. So many of these everyday chemicals are toxic.
My shoulders are less painful today. I started testing for the Cowden herbs again in combination with some of the other things I've been taking.
I'm starting to see a coating on my tongue. Maybe some yeast is getting stirred up? I'm going to have to research the connection between yeast & parasites.
The roof of my mouth has been bleeding. I don't usually have any dental problems. Who knows what that may be? For years I had a big chancre type sore in the back of my mouth on the cheek. It's been gone for a long time. I have read this is common with CFS, fibro, etc... I don't know how this connects with any of these pathogens.
Alv - you have both - the Ultimate Zapper & the Rife... How do they compare? Do you think you need to have both? Yes, I think many of these parasites may be microscopic.
We probably don't even see them. They may cause many health conditions & the connection hasn't been made with them - yet.
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Sparkle ! Ultimate Zapper is for a few things and does not go very deep ( but for me it did the job in my gut as I was juicing -it is recomended that the best is to be in juicing while killing parasites ) and as the cheapest thing ULTIMATE zapper can really HELP a LOT!
Rife in on a diferent level( so light) .With RIfe I test the frequencies and I manualy decide which one I need for a particular bacterie or parasite or anything else( but again to get the adult worms you need herbs internaly ) .
With rife if you are advanced ( in testing and finding what pathogen need to be treated how many frequencies and how many minutes can be powerful) really knocks down many things ( mine is very gentle-and exspensive due to EMF that I knew and was careful when I made a decision on bying it ).But THE COIL machine is very powerful and it goes way deeper in the BODY ( proved to ERADICATE lyme to the one that created it) .
Rife is better for lyme ( and reach the skin) ( so does ULTIMATE zapper) .I was in herbs and antibiotics and I was still rifing on BART that was trying to HIDE on SKIN .So with babs ( but my load was so high and I needed 80 minutes for 1 frequency lately ).
NO way I could do it.Still when I wil put them in remission will be my way to go to kill the ones that will be some in head left and some at the legs that oraly you can not get them.Over time they will come out from DEEP layer and I will keep testing TO CATCH THEM ...
The machine will be a maintance for many things.RIFE covers more things.BUT ULTIMATE zapper should definitly be in every family.Even the little kids get a virus ...connet them and will knock out the virus faster than without it.
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Interesting experience for me with PE-1 today.
I have been dealing with quite a variety of molds and mycotoxins. I'm clearing them out of my house with very high and sustained levels of ozone, mostly while the home is vacated.
I still have some work to do in the corner of the basement ceiling that seems to have had substantial sewage leaks before we moved in. Unfortunately that ceiling still affected is the same as the floorboards next to the bathroom, right under my bed!!!
Now that my house is fairly safe, I am working on my body.
Before house cleaning, I took an air sample from each room by leaving an open glass of distilled water in each room, and saving them in bottles. Today I took samples from the two worst rooms and made homeopathic nosode type energy remedies out of them.
I put two of them together (basement and bedroom) in my remedy maker and made a combination of 5, 10, 30, 60, 100, 200 (all x or D) and 1M. I used this remedy in a vial on the solar plexus to treat Bionic Dr. W. style.
This all tested as quite effective. Looking forward to the outcome, especially if it is as effective as PE-1 has been with lyme and other co-infections.
I also treated the gates and spine in an effort to reduce allergy or sensitivity to the polutants.
With the mycotoxins being released from mold die off, my testing is on and off. I can open it with the PE-1, but when I'm getting die-off, I don't stay open long.
Now that I'm "killing mold" in my body, I'm tired again. Oh well. Hoping to move the mycotoxins out effectively. I started with an unreasonably comprehensive iodine colonic.
Also using Alaria (seaweed) to soak up bile. Considering the Clark cleanse to make this more effective.
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I agree with Alv, the zapper only kills pathogens in the blood stream and on the outside & edge of organs, it does not reach inside organs or into the deeper tissues, for this you need the herbs.
I dont have the Ultimate Zapper tho, I used a home-made regular zapper and have not used it for yrs but found it much weaker compared to rifing but I definitely got some results with it, particularly in my gut. I dont know how much more effective the Ultimate Zapper is.
You can make your own zapper, HC gives the instructions in The Cure For All Diseases, my neighbour at the time was an electrician and made one for me, so very cheap!
With rife, the frequencies reach much deeper, I herxed like mad when I was using my Coil last yr. It is a lot more complicated to use and is also a bit of a labour figuring out which freqs to use, so it is more experimental whereas the zapper is a much simpler device in that regard. Again I dont know about the ULtimate Zapper as I have never used that one.
I have to say tho that even tho rife is v strong I had much quicker results from photon therapy with the Bionic compared to rifing with my Coil. It can take up to a few yrs to knock down the bugs from rife.
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HI Shimmy!
When it comes to Lyme LIGHT and nosodes is best!
When it comes to large parasites -you need ZAPPER ( RIFE if you can ) and internaly taking herbs .THE parasite cleansings need to be done with juicing GREEN vegies to get the best results and if you follow with a liver flush to get great results .
Rife is really good to hit ( but so far I doubt it can eradicate a very high load of babs, etc)babs and reduce some of bart -but does not eradicate it.
It is really helpful to treat every pathogen if you know the right frequency and timing for each frequency with the help of using a type of test as with pendulum ( or F scann) at that moment of treatment.
So each tool is eficient if you use it by finding the right frequency at the right time-not all have that ability to do that -the ones that have done it have had result otherwise it takes years and is like shooting in the dark.
There are machines though ( like PERL and ETC that have already a program and you just run it -with the frequencies you need and you do not need).
I am not OK with this metods though.I have felt that are many stressor and factors and not all frequencies need to be introduced.Finding the right ones and the exact minutes for the ones you need is more beneficial and succesful -so you do not overdo it and do not exspose your self more that you have too.
(That is my opinion though and so have other people on MY 500 pages BOOK of RIFE on the eksperince of ND using the machines).
Coil is very strong and takes less time to treat ( have heard some kicked out BABS/bart and ehrlichia -when they were lucky to know the strain ).Ironicly we carry the unknown things and by treating it with herbs or drugs , I am sure that people cover many things that they are not aware .
BEST option in my opinion in a liver flush is :You need to make sure that you have OZONATED oil (I mixed 1-2 teablespoons with olive oil ) for the liver flush as it will kill in place the addult parasites that are in liver and might be bloacking the biles to get out from the biliary track and blocking the gallblader as they can be there as well.( It happens).
It is time in a few month for me to get one done ( when I stop treated babs -if reaching first remission).Today I found out that BABS DIVERGENS is hanging mostly in my hips and KIDNEY .
That exsplains my left kidney shutting down in december 2006.Even though my ND open it up and saved it with herbs and homepathy using ART ( while my pcp said is TOO LATE damage is done , period ) on my last ultrasound my left kidney has shrunk 1/2 inch .So goota continue GETTING divergens OUT OF MY KIDNEY and saved whats left.
Seems that I finally feel my jaw is MINE and when I move my mouth my jaw started to move without beeing locked anymore.BABS was creating tighness and lock my jaw ( the reson that I was in nightguards for 10 years).
My tightnees in my throught is slowly going away as B DIVERGENS is beeing killed ( well has been 2 decades there) .
My frontal teeth finally feel very strong and I am over the pain in my teeth .Still some left on my right chick where I have BELLS palsy and a very deep infection below my upper ROOT canal.
I am writting all these so people can realize what babs can do if left untreated for very long time.My bart and lyme are in remission so muco and ehrlichia.SO this are PURE SYMTOMS of babesia.
Also I noticed finally I could go out in sun and no need to carry my glasses.MY SHARP pain in my mollar places that were removed feeling has been deminieshed lately .
I recall MY SEVERE Atacks of migranes for 2 decades and me COVERING my head with a blanket AND MAKING THE ROOM DARK and cover the windows to block the SUN comming in the room .
It is weird on HOW I DEALT with every atack of lyme and babs in my brain( garini ) .I WAS FASTING every time when I felt an atack comming.I used to get in bed right away without eating and drinking NOTHING for 2 days in a row .
NOthing could stop my sever migranes atacks so I quit taking any painkillers( I am very stubborn and survived all these with NO ANTIDEPRESENT or klonopin or painkillers ALL the tiem.Even when I had my root canals -mollars REMOVED I took VERY HIG DOSAGES of ENZYMES and RELIED on coffe enemas.
ONLY antibiotics were allowed to get in my system -due to HIGH LOAD of infection.
Anyway !
To my amasment the next 2 days I WAS completly recovered waking up with a GREAT energy and moved on with the day like it was not me a day before SUFFERING from MY MIGRANE atacks.
Now I know HOW FASTING -( have done twice in 2006 ) had put the LYME into CYST and right after that I would see my energy level comming back.
It is funny how FASTING has been recomended for decades on CUREZONE and people do not know that they might be carrying BORRELIA.
In Curezone.com there are protocolls ( do a search) on fasting and when people follow each step of HULDA CLARCK .MOST of them get a very good quality of their life and they repeat it even 2 times a year -some try to be on it 1 month straight .
They also take almost every thing -on HULDAS Protocoll and include , oregano oil and olive leaf exstract as well( hmmmmm this treat bart right ).
For me was a great tool when I WAS ASSYMTOMATIC only.BUT ONCE lyme activated -not anymore .I was SO WEAK and I COULD not live without SUPPLEMENTS and vitamins.
I am not taking them anymore.Have stoped them since 5 months ago when LYME went to REMISSION first time.Now I am taking VITAMIN E and C due to the PROTOCOLL on BABS.I prefer LEMON JUICE.
I drink a glass of LEMON JUICE like I am drinking a glass a WATER.BEFORE I could not handle nothing DUE to my stomack ache.NOT ANYMORE. I also am handling the SPICY FOODS and LOVE herbs and spices in there.HAVE tried to INLCUDE them as much as I CAN lately.Cayene pepper mostly -it so good for the heart!!
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My gosh, so much more information! I sure hope we don't lose this thread!
Since I said I would post about my `scare' a week ago, here it is...... I've been chewed out more than once already for not going to the hospital ER so please don't anybody else chew me out, okay?
Last Monday, I had a nasty episode with my heart while out walking. It did a BIG flip-flop, started racing madly but not efficiently, and immediately the world started getting dim and I got this headache and constricted feeling in my head, neck, and chest. (I've had all this before, mind you, and my docs always told me not to worry too much about it!) But this time I was a mile from my car out on a nature trail with a friend and our 2 dogs. (Good thing I was on a flat area with no hills to climb.) I didn't want to freak my friend out so I didn't say anything - there was really nothing to do but just keep walking back to my car.
By the time I got home, this had been going on for about an hour, and I definitely did not feel well at all. None of my usual tricks to stop the crazy heart rhythm worked at all. I couldn't get my heart to calm down, and couldn't find my pulse in my wrist because my blood wasn't really circulating properly (that part was new to me). I could tell from experience that my heart rate was up around 180 or more. Lying down to `rest' made it worse, if anything. I was getting ready to go to the ER....
Then I remembered that I'd made up a small dropper bottle of a remedy almost 2 years ago after having one of these episodes with my heart (though not nearly so long). At that time, I checked it with my homeopath and she said she thought it sounded right, too. (Lachesis 30C is the remedy, BTW.) So, I got the bottle and took just one drop under my tongue. I set my watch to see how long it would take to work..... if it worked at all. I really didn't have much hope.
And would you believe it, my heart went back to normal!.... and when I was sure it had really happened, I checked my watch..... the remedy had worked in 1 minute and 7 seconds . I was absolutely stunned in amazement. Chances are good that if I had driven to the ER, the stress of going there would have shocked my heart back to normal anyway, and I would have spent $900+ for nothing.
Don't know if my dowsing is correct, but it indicates that I did some damage in my brain, heart, and lungs, but none of it is permanent. (Hope that isn't just wishful thinking.)
I've been experiencing more heart palpitations for the last couple of months, and I suspected I was going to have an `episode' of some sort. And guess what got the heart palpitations all fired up 2 or 3 months ago?
The supplement, Alpha Lipoic Acid.
I tried to cut back and take it only 3 times a week. Obviously, that didn't work. I have no idea why ALA did this, but then Cumanda and Nattokinase did it to me, too. I still don't understand it.
Okay, on to other things!
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Alv and Sparkle, I hope you guys continue to progress and feel better.
I just e-mailed the Dr. Schulze website - I can't find the instructions for taking any of his products or detox programs. I won't order anything that doesn't tell me what to expect up front. (Also, he uses bentonite clay in one of his intestinal formulas and I won't use bentonite without a `washout' program of some kind. I believe it was the inappropriate use of bentonite clay that caused my colon to get so screwed up.)
I agree - there is probably a toxic component to most everything. If I've learned anything from homeopathy it's that whatever can harm you can also heal you. We humans just have to learn how to harness those desirable properties within each substance (energy).
I noticed that an autonosode made from blood I took from my finger seemed to work much better than blood I obtained from my arm vein. I thought it would be just the opposite! That supports what you are saying, too, Selma.
Selma, did you make the Camphora D200 yourself, or did you buy it? (That would take a LONG time to make by hand, lol.)
Clostridium: A dear friend of mine passed away with cancer 2 years ago..... and she was fighting a very bad Clostridium Difficile infection in her bowel when she found out she had cancer........
Sparkle, I know what you mean about these mental `biases' when we dowse about something and we have a strong opinion about it - like the parasite issue. That's exactly why I keep trying to find a way to `remove' my own bias from the picture as much as possible when I try to dowse, or even when being muscle tested. It is SO very difficult for me..... I had no idea I had so many `opinions' about everything until I found I had to concentrate on remaining `neutral'. Quite a challenge. But necessary, I think, for getting accurate answers.
And that's a very good idea about getting help and confirmation from others on the `testing'.
I contacted a company the other day called Zyto. They make a `Cradle' device which measures the galvanic response (heat changes) in the hand in response to certain substances. But it's all connected to a big computer database - in other words, you can't test an actual substance you have on hand - you have to find it in their database to test it. And their devices are for commercial use, not for individuals to use. And they don't really have plans to make something for `home' use by individuals. But at least I looked into it. Sooner or later someone will come out with something.....
EMFs and EMRs: Well, I got my pieces of Rose Quartz the other day - I got 3 chunks of unpolished stone about 3 inches long - only cost me $2.00. (I'd read that Rose Quartz protects against stray electromagnetic fields.) When I went to bed that night, I put the 3 pieces in various spots around the room, with one next to me on the nightstand. My bedroom is where I do most of my dowsing so that's where I wanted to test the Rose Quartz. Eek! I had a HORRIBLE night - crazy dreams, intrusive thoughts, general discomfort, disrupted sleep. I wondered if I'd made a mistake!
I did some dowsing about it the next day, and my dowsing said that the stones did help protect against EMFs, and that everything would be fine that night. And sure enough, I've slept really well since that first night! Maybe that first night the stones generated a lot of chaos in the energy field in my bedroom, and it had to dissipate first? I don't know. But I'm keeping them for now. (And I can't believe I'm even talking about this - I'm not into crystals and healing stones and all that.)
Even stranger..... in my computer files I found a `proving' of Rose Quartz - both as a tincture and as a homeopathic - that I saved awhile back......boy, it looks like a near-perfect stone for my needs! One note in the proving papers was that RoseQ ``gives protection in all circumstances, whether physical, mental or psychic protection''. I may get some more stones if the ones in the bedroom work out.
That dental materials test sounds really neat, but expensive.
Bejoy, I hope your `mold remedy' works out. What ever happened with the person who used the `tick' remedy you made?
I'm sure I've forgotten something I wanted to ask about!
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Tracy- I think you made the right choice about not going to the hospital. You have to go on intuition sometimes. I would try to avoid hospitals at all costs. We may need them on occasions but it's best to avoid them.
Alpha Lipoic Acid is very strong stuff. My doctor, many years ago, told me to start with 1/4 of a pill & work it up slowly from there. It can chelate mercury from you brain. I believe it crosses the blood brain barrier.
Interesting about rose quartz. I always read good things about it. How do people feel about those salt lamps? They look nice but I don't know if they really work.
Thanks for the info Alv. Do you think it's a good thing if the Bb goes into cyst form while fasting? Wouldn't it make it harder to get rid of? I have to read your description more closely. Do you think Bb is a parasite or bacteria or does it even matter?
I'm going to try the ozonated oil next time I do a liver flush. This time I'm doing the parasite kill first!
I read that the herb hawthorn is very good for the heart.
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Thanx for your post, its very interesting to read & I agree with a lot of what you say.
I'd love to believe that photons & nosodes are the best for lyme tho but I think its too early for me to say as I am still ill and from energy testing I still have lyme & co despite 15 sessions of photon therapy with the bionic.
I know it can take longer tho if you are very ill and Ive been ill for 16yrs so know I have a high bacterial load and only got diagnosed with lyme 2 yrs ago.
It could be down to weak adrenals as one bionic practitioner recently suggested ... I still have very low cortisol.
Having said that I am feeling more energy just from tapping as I feel thats cleansing my liver.. & I do agree cleansing the liver is vital.
Thats a good suggestion about using ozonated oil when flushing, Ive never tried that but do have some here and will give it a try when I flush.
Agree with you on the juicing! Im a big believer in that & alkalising in general for healing and try to juice daily and take a green powder.
I have bart and was going to try the Zhang herbs to see if that will help. I treated it a bit with rife last yr, and recently herxed really strongly on olive leaf and wondered if it was targeting bart as I felt so much calmer afterwards but its so hard to know what it was killing off as it targets so many different pathogens...viruses, fungi etc.
I know that others reckon they've had bart herxes on it and Morton Walker does mention it can kill bart & lyme in his book.
I used to spend a lot of time on curezone and I know there are some great recovery stories on there and I do think fasting is a fantastic tool but it can make you very weak if you have weak adrenals. Its not something I would consider at the moment.
It sounds like you've been through such a lot like many others, well done for making such good progress and getting this far!
Good luck too with healing your kidney!
What is your book on Rife?
All the best.
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