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Hi Gigi, thank you for the detailed response...alot of what you said got me to thinking..that was a great point about the hair. I always learn so much by reading what you write.
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Good try, Truthfinder.
I have taken the time to translate just one paragraph referring to using homeopathics at the same time as using the PSP.
But first, HG clearly expressed to me several times at the outset of our treatment that he feels there are only very few outstanding homeopaths in the world (I remember he said a handful), and this is why he makes these remarks in his booklet. He clearly stated to me to stay away from anything that can interfer or add an additional undesirable load into the body -- the very load this whole therapy is concerned with.
One major aim of PSP is to unload all the garbage we have taken in. which the body had no use for, and simply buried away in various body compartments, yet burdening the body and not bringing any benefit to aid the body in functioning better. This created more and more dysfunctions, so his comments.
This is what the paragraph about homeopathy is trying to tell us, quickly translated by me:
Bioenergetic Therapies and Homeopathy
Homeopathy works, similarly as our therapy, on the bioenergetic level. Especially effective are high potencies. The reason: because of the strong dilution factor it seems most likely that electromagnetic conditions with long lasting waves (coherent condition) are produced, which will make certain information possible. High potencies are generally only prescribed by doctors and naturopaths. Looking at it based on principle, there is nothing negative to be said about using a homeopathic treatment at the same time.
It is worth, however, to give thought to the idea that even though we do not have proof - it is possible that conflicts can occur if the bioenergetic energeticum and the homeopathics each deliver different informations, while both on their own may possibly be effective.
The use of homeopathic remedies, self-medication, is tricky. In this case, the danger that the different bioenergetic informations get into each others way is substantially greater.
End of Translation.
We need to understand that it is impossible for them to say or even give the impression that the PSP cures a disease. It corrects dysregulations on the informational level.
I think it is best to learn to relax about all of this.
Let me repeat here: every time I have approached HG, he always clearly states to eat and drink wisely and not to add more to the burden unless it is necessary for survival (acute/gg). When referring to hormones, the very apparatus they are attempting to return to function again gets the wrong signals if we supply them artifically thereby telling the body that it is not necessary to provide its own. The system will then shut down even more.
Just noted what HG actually says about bioenergetic therapies and cancer. Literally translated:
"Cancer is an illness that demands treatment and is therefore not open to a bioenergetic therapy, even though cancer has considerable effects on the bioenergetic condition and the bioenergetic therapy basically having a health promoting effect.
This is especially so because it is thought that cancer is a disease that is based on lack of energetics. It therefore makes sense to do a complementary supporting bioenergetic therapy. That would include postsurgical care. But it should be noted that chemotherapy totally throws the cybernetic system off track buiding irreparable blockages, which makes bioenergetic therapies useless when done at the same time.
I think the booklet information cannot be cut down into one line explanations. What they are telling us in 16 pages cannot be cut down into one line explanations and still represent their intent.
I must say the phrases are very difficult to translate without getting away from the real meaning and intent. But that's the researcher/ scientist HG speaking. I for one am glad they are providing my husband, myself and the rest of my family with a great gift that I never thought possible. I have heard and been told for half of my life that a wheat or dairy allergy cannot be treated successfully. I also want to forget what we went through with all the genetic testing that cost us a small fortune while never providing a true solution. I am so glad, however, that I remained curious and kept searching, and most of all recognized it for what it is at that point rather than "been there, done that".
I am convinced that some of the allergies I now have eliminated with PSP had kept my father ill for many, many years of his life. I am really starting to appreciate the benefits this therapy will bring in the years ahead. Take care.
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Dear Gigi,
Thanks again for your clear work in assisting with the translations! I agree that the 16-page booklet is about as condensed as it's going to get, and still have the information we need to evaluate various conditions and other types of therapies.
My husband has cancer, but is not doing chemotherapy. We're planning on him taking the AI drops in the near future, when I'm done. If I had just read the notes or the German version of the booklet, I'd never even consider it.
I tried to be helpful on this line regarding homeopathy, and it just wasn't adequate.
Best,
Cass A
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Take care.
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Dear Gigi, thanks again for sharing. I still continue to feel allergic to most foods. i believe i have done round 6-7 on psp. i actually was doing quite well in this department, but they recalled my thyroid medicine and i am having a hard time adjusting..maybe this is it..or it oculd take longer for my body to adjust.. just a quick update. runner
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Runner, please check the thread you started about a week ago asking "what happened to my thyroid med".
I responded to that thread giving you Swansons referral to a pharmacy who had a big supply of the stuff, so that you could contact them. You may want to check back and get the info I posted.
Rememberbing how long it has been, your gut needs a lot of healing - that I am sure of. So be patient. My guess is you are not allergic to the foods per se, but probably still chemicals involved in the processing of the food, or simply still chemicals that affect you in that area. Have you tried fennel tea? That is what babies get when they have problems. Have you tried any of the chinese tea pills?
Love and Take care.
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"Nice try", Gigi? I have no idea what that means.
My last post was an abbreviated list of the possible therapies set forth in the newly-translated AI information brochure that might interfere with AI treatment.
The brochure is quite long; it would be easy to miss the information that contains answers to many of the questions that get posted here on the AI thread.
And note that I specifically suggested that people refer to the information brochure for a complete explanation. Obviously, I never intended what I posted to be construed as the final word on anything.
HG is certainly right that `there are only very few outstanding homeopaths in the world'. The same can be said of every `field of expertise' in the medical/healing realm. There are very few `experts' at anything in the world.
Though simultaneous homeopathic treatment is ``welcomed'' - in principle - by AI, it is clear from the brochure that there are risks of `conflict' between AI and homeopathic treatment. Therefore, personally speaking, I would not do both together.
Now, back to the list of contraindicated therapies for a moment...... it seems there's some very pertinent information there about diet restrictions.
Did anyone notice that the main problem with treating diabetes along with doing the AI therapy is the diabetic DIET - not medication. This is further verified under the part about `dietary guidelines'.
*** ``The problem in diabetes is the diet recommended by doctors that is contrary and counterproductive to a bio-energetic therapy.'' ***
and then:
*** ``Elimination diets (abandonment of certain foods or substances) and supplementation (high doses of supplements) should not be taken during the bio-energetic therapy.'' ***
(Please refer back to LPs post for a complete explanation.)
The importance of consuming a whole spectrum of foods and substances while doing the AI therapy is quite fascinating. And I think it's something that has been mentioned here in this thread, but perhaps not emphasized enough.
If AI considers it important enough to include in their brochure, then it is certainly something I want to pay attention to before doing the treatment. No way do I wish to unwittingly sabotage my own treatment by missing a simple point like this one.
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Amber, my test results [the initial full ones] arrived as an email attachment and were in English.
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Amberini, you asked
"Is it saying Homeopathy is okay?"
No. The message they are trying to deliver is that they have no problem and are open to homeopathy in general, meaning when done away from PSP, but it is not recommended to use homeopathics while doing the drops.
Truthfinder I am sure meant to say that when she said it is "welcomed" in principle - by AI". I just want to clarify this and repeat that they told me several times in person that it is best so stay away from homeopathics while on the AI therapy.
If anyone has any specific question re taking a homeopathic, I would suggest to direct them to HG directly.
In general, the PSP therapy is not a homeopathic treatment and has nothing to do with homeopathy. I have been told that and you will find similar expressions by AI on their Forum. They told me that they fear homeopathic remedies could be interfering with the information the drops are transmitting. Like hearing two radio stations coming out of the old radio loudspeaker at the same time.
Truthfinder, you gave it a good try. But I simply do not want to take time to finetune points and nuances of language interpretation, especially since there cannot be a hard and fast rule in cases like diabetes or any other difficult situation and it should always be determined specifically for the person involved. AI are very helpful with that.
I would suggest that anyone interested in AI read the whole thread from beginning to now. And I would also highly recommend that if anyone is interested to know the finer details in case of a diabetic situation, to direct these questions directly to AI. The Translation of the booklet is somewhat weak, and when it comes to these important points about actually how to handle things when diabetes is in the picture, or for that matter any other problems that need certain medicines, I would send the question to them for help.
This therapy is so helpful and so simple. I understand that not being able to go over the whole website is a problem, but that's the way it is and we will have to make the best of it if we want to get the benefits.
I am glad to help anyone who has a specific question to AI which is important to them. My e-mail is on this thread several times over, so please don't hesitate. But do take the time to read the whole thread. Some of the same things have been discussed earlier. Yes, it's boring...
Take care.
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Hi Gigi, thank you very much for this. the link for swansons is no longer active. however, i think i will phone them. i do take peppermint, fennel and i am also working on repairing the gut lining with dgl by pure and aloe vera and glutamine. which does seem to help. the recent episode with armour has thrown me for a loop so i am focusing on getting that fixed..my whole systems feel suppressed or depressed rather... anyway thank you for the advice..keep us posted onyour progress.. Misty
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I started round 5 of the drops on Sunday, last night, Monday night, as I was sleeping I noticed a strage observation, I could not lay on either side of my head for long, I had uncomfortable presure in my ears and had to turn from side to side frequently so I finaly just stayed on my back. But I am happy to report no Trigeminal Neralga pain this time and I'm able to do 4 drops 3 x a day. Im sure the head presure is related to the A1 in some way.
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kissis, it is possible to relive similar symptoms as the system learns to correct. I was told they should last no longer than about 3 days.
I had a bad fall some years ago hurting my hip and walked on crutches for several weeks. When I started the drops, I had this same hip pain sensation lasting about two days. I have never felt it again and I am exercising on the trampoline every day - feeling absolutely no hurt - during or after. I suppose that was one of the pain memories that is stored in the spine. They are noted in your test.
Glad you are feeling positive about the drops.
Take care.
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Could use some advice...my son's roommates have swine flu and were just quarentined.(Military) He feels intense flu symptoms today and is being checked.
I had originally purchased "oscillo" for him to have handy as a "just in case" remedy if he got the flu... along with garlic pills, vitamin C, apple cider vinegar, and chorella, but now with understanding AI more, I am thinking it would not be good to take this homeopathic remedy, "Oscillo" at this time. He is on the AI therapy, round 3.
Has anyone on this board doing AI had the flu or flu symptoms yet, and what have you taken for this, if anything. Just need to give him some quick , good advice.
I will email AI to get their opinion. Thanks, lp
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LP, these are by a long shot my favorite remedies for anything that comes along.
Go to their flu and cold items. If you get lost, call them. Sarah knows all about their teapills. They are easy to take and inexpensive. They do not charge for s/h. I have sort of a collection of the different ones and just tensor test for our cup of tea. Especially when I find my husband blocked - I can always open his regulation with the AI drops, but I do like to add a cup of tea when he tests for it.
Take care.
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cool thanks gigi, this helps deficient yin , which i have.
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I have used ordinary Eupator perf. D-30 homeopathic pills always for flu. Others use chamomilla or other remedies. eurpator perf is a cold remedy, helps if one caught the illness when it was cold and damp
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Wow, great info. This is all new to me as usual. Always something to learn, I love it!
I emailed the flu and immunization questions about appropriate remedy suggestions (if any) to A.I. and will post asap.
I am hoping that A.I. alone will do the trick to clear the viruses whether acquired or injected!
And if we need to inform A.I. that a new immunization was acquired through injection or a mist with a virus, or if we just acquired a confirmed virus from exposure to it in the evironment, so A.I. can address it with the next round of drops.
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Northern, Eupatorium-perf 30C was probably the top successful homeopathic remedy used during the spring/summer H1N1 flu outbreak. And that takes into account reports from many different countries.
But there were a handful of other remedies that worked in particular locations and the Eup-perf did not. There seems to be quite a variation of symptoms with this H1N1 bug, and that makes it tough to pin down.
It will be interesting to see if the same remedies that worked in the spring are the same ones that work as we go into the fall and winter.
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As far as I am concerned, I am not expecting to be exposed to any flu and I don't intend to get any flu, no matter how much it is talked about. This subject was brought up by HG when I talked with him a few months ago and he talks about the hype on the media. Their idea is the same as mine -- we don't get the flu The people I know who got the flu shots over the years always got sick from them and some of them are no longer with us. That agrees with the scientist's comments who spoke at a K. conference a few years ago -- they found too many life viruses in the vaccine they had for testing, but people were standing in line to get them. Last year it was the bird flu and I am sure they will find a new one next year and the year thereafter.
Take care.
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Right on Gigi..I agree completely. I do not expect to get any flu or plan on any flu..as far as i am concerned it all hype. and she is right , next year it will be sheep flu for all we know.
There is so much hype in the media right now.. They do it to scare us..and its a tactic. and people jump on the bandwagon..
I do plan on strengthening my immunity..bc i know its down..viruses seem to be more of an issue for me lately, where before my immunity was so suppressed i woldnt respond..so even though its no fun, i think it might be a good sign..
cheers, runner
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Update: my son did not test positive for the swine flu...but his two roomates did, and had it for over a week. My son's intense flu like symptoms have gone down considerably on their own in three days. Thanks for all your advice.
I will still post the A. I. answers whenever I get them.
Thanks all.
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Thanks for the update, LP! How interesting that your son didn't get the H1N1 flu even though in close proximity to 2 people who had it. (Or maybe he did have a mild case of it - depends on what test they used as far as accuracy goes.)
Wonder if he had enough exposure to develop antibodies? Wonder if the military is collecting any data on immunity? Wonder if his flu symptoms were a reaction to the nasal vaccine he received earlier? Gee, I wonder a lot of things.....
Well, when it comes to some possible hazard (like a debilitating flu), I choose to defer to Murphy's Law (...anything that can go wrong will go wrong) and the Boy Scout motto (be prepared), and then the *Serenity Prayer (see below) to finish out the philosophy. It's why I have homeowner's insurance, etc.
(Note: Vaccines are the exception. That is sort of like starting your house on fire to protect it from a flood.)
It isn't always about me. There are animals that depend on me for everything. And I'm no help to my friends and neighbors if I get sick.
Okay back to AI stuff....... another interesting quote from the English brochure:
quote:The electro-magnetic situation controls the permeability at the blood-brain barrier. That way, so D. Starr (danger by microwaves, 1984), microwaves with even the smallest intensity may contribute to the fact that minerals important to the brain cannot be absorbed. The lack thereof may be balanced for a short time in the cybernetic system, but a chronic lack of important minerals could prevent an array of connected processes in the body.
This is EXACTLY the same thing that Blaze posted about recently. She cited a study done with rats - in Sweden, I believe - that demonstrated that only a 2-hour exposure to a certain type of mobile phone resulted in compromise of the BBB 2 weeks later.....
I'm just wondering...... can AI therapy help with `sensitivities' to microwaves and other EMFs? I don't recall reading anything about that in this thread or in the AI literature that I've reviewed. (I suspect AI would be beneficial since there appears to be a connection between EMF sensitivity and heavy metal load, but not sure that has been verified in any actual studies.)
Gigi, do you have any idea, or know of any AI clients who had improvement in their severe EMF susceptibilities?
*God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, The courage to change the things I can, And the wisdom to know the difference.
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I'm glad your son feels better, LP.
My 4th round drops arrived today, with 10 chemical substances, 3 biological substances and 6 energetic blocks and a script encouraging people to call them and not to give up if you can't see progress.
I have had more enrgy and 'lighter legs' in the past 2 weeks, but as I'm on low dose hydrocortisone and some adrenal supplements, it's hard to be clear about what's doing what. I had hoped to be without supplements for AI, but feel I must help the adrenals along a little.
I've also had some emotional swings, been tearful at times, which may or may not be AI or hormone-related:
I am in menopause as well as having the sudden thyroid changes and adrenal insufficiency this summer.
Hope to hear more about how others are getting on and Best Wishes to all,
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Tracy,
I too wonder these things you mention...our minds work along the same path.
"Wonder if he had enough exposure to develop antibodies?" I was wondering if it was either a memory of a past Flu, as he is on AI...or if AI is helping his body regulate enough now for his immune system to fight it off? He has been prone to flu and very bad colds several times a year. He does not have lyme symptoms, but EBV flair ups in the past.
"Wonder if the military is collecting any data on immunity?"
I think they are very clueless, and that's why I worry. although the CDC can easily get any records from them. I think they are guinee pigs for the rest of us. They are getting the first doses of the H1N1 soon. Of course, he doesn't knoiw when yet...they just line them up after announcing it to them one morning. This is why I wanted a homeopathic remedy or something ready for him to take asap, so not to ruin anything AI has done, or add any more problems to his inherited stew.
I did email A.I., specifically about if A.I. Therapy is enough to counteract this immunization. I also sent along his new sample, and maybe they can tweek it for this new condition from the immunizations. We will see.
"Wonder if his flu symptoms were a reaction to the nasal vaccine he received earlier? Gee, I wonder a lot of things....."
Me too! This is hard to know. We are all learning. I will copy the serenity prayer and keep it by my computer screen...very appropriate! I need serenity as momma bear hates losing control of her cubs!
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"Gigi, do you have any idea, or know of any AI clients who had improvement in their severe EMF susceptibilities?"
Yes, I reported here about a friend who is on the drops. She now is not bothered by the EMF/computer to the extent she used to be. She is fairly early in the therapy.
Many factors play into this, including the leaky gut, mineral base affected by malabsorption due to gut, blood brain barrier damaged by prolonged EMF exposure, etc.
Everything is dependent on everything else - one body. This is why it takes time.
Take care.
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Swine Flu - if you do some digging on the AI site, Mr. G has quite a bit of info there on the subject.
If I knew exactly how I found it, I would post the link but it was one of those episodes of clicking on lots of things there.
I do recall seeing in bold print "Swine Flu" on the right hand side of the page and it looks as though the site has been updated since I was last there.
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Goodness, Carry - you have a lot to contend with right now. You too, Misty. Thanks for your `progress reports'.
Thanks, Gigi. Very good to hear about that!
Thanks, Nana. The `swine flu' link is over on the German language side of things.... look for the phrase: Angst vor der Schweinegrippe? (Fear of the swine flu?)
Or..... here's a link to the Google translation of the swine flu page - not sure if the link will work: Fear of the swine flu? http://tinyurl.com/yd5g82j
The basic thrust of the swine flu page is that if you have an `intact immune system' that recognizes all substances properly, then... well, here's a translated quote:
quote:Our firm belief is that if an immune system working properly, ie all substances correctly recognized, then it can also deal with viruses. More than a normal flu symptoms are not expected thereafter that disappears after a few days without chemicals again. And such a flu again serve the immune system as a learning period. Then you should treat your body the needed rest.
Note that this sounds very much like what your son experienced, LP, doesn't it? The fact that he recovered faster than his two roommates certainly could be suggestive that the AI therapy has already `normalized' his immune system to some degree, at least by comparison to others.
It would be interesting to hear what your son thinks since he has been prone to colds and flus in the past. I.e., does he think his `illness' this time was less severe than usual, faster recovery, etc.?
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Yes Tracy,
My son was surprised that he recovered from his illness so quickly. When he was in high school, he would get very bad colds or the flu which would last at least 5 to 7 days, with lots of missing class. His coach always said my kids have the worse immune system, because they catch everything compared to the other athletes!
This one was extremely severe in symptoms...that's why I heard from him. He usually is never concerned about his health nor does he report things to me normally. But he thought it was most likely the H1N1 flu as his roommates had it.
He is in shock that it was not the flu, via Army tests, and was completely gone of all symptoms in three days, although the third day it was very mild, and no sore throat after day two. Fever only lasted a little over 24 hours! His roommates are back in the barracks with him, and they are still hacking, but told they are not contagious.
I am thinking, and actually hoping that it is the AI doing its magic...enabling the immune system to kick in and do its thing. I am evaluating both kids health as we progress through the AI treatments.
My daughter, whom I just informed that her brother was sick with possible H1N1, told me she had the beginnings of what she thought was the flu last week...but it cleared the next day on its own. I am amazed.
Her health history is very poor and she gets more things, each month for the past 4 years than my son...she is the one with the lyme in remission as well as all the co-infections gone for now. She is the one who had chronic migrains...unable to sleep...severe fatique with EBV, anxiety attacks, depression and every joint in agony. She has zero complaints so far and is very happy. What a relief for me! I am thankful to God and all those who have helped us along our path.
The jury is out if it's AI....but I believe it is helping from what I observe.
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I have been taking round 5 since last Sunday. I have a very possitive observation to share. My feet, the color has been going down hill for years, Raynolds ? not sure but they are always cold and at the worst they have been so dark in color they are almost black.
I dont have socks on today although it is a little nippy out and although my feet still feel cold the color in them is noticably better.I am rather amazed by this.
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Thanks for sharing - all.
Take care.
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Kissis, same here, dark red feet of my husband are now nice and pink. Circulation is half the game. When things stagnate, nothing works. This is what AI is after and I think it is doing it quite nicely. And all without any medications on an 83 year old person!
Glad things look good for LP and kids.
Was chatting with HG. He told me that Germans take average of 3 to 7 bottles. Americans average - not much happens until bottle #5 and then it can go to 10 and higher. He has not figured out yet why, but assumes it is the massive childhood vaccinations that are done in this country; genetically engineered foods; and the many prepared foods with all sorts of hidden chemicals, plus lifestyle.
Did you know that the Roma tomato is crossed with a trout? Dr. K. tells that there is no more corn that has not been engineered. The potatoes that I had left over the other day and wanted to stick in the ground to sprout - have not sprouted, and what's left in the bag for 4 months has not sprouted either. They just get wrinkled, but won't rot! They also didn't taste good - that is why I had them left over.
It really makes me feel quite sad for our children.
At least we are finding a solution to some of the problems - with AI. Our 2 year old grandson was with us today - I snuck in and tested him with tensor and my wheat vial - he definitely is allergic to wheat. My other 2 grandchildren also. My husband is clear now. I never had the wheat problem, but I am sure when I go venturing further to our other son and wife - they have all the allergies and the KPU which, in my mind, seems to come with it.
Take care.
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Hi, I just got my report and round 5 checkup. I show 6 chemical substances, 4 energetic blockages and 3 biological substances.
Today i feel as i did the last time the drops came. i definate increase in energy. Wehn i am off therapy i have increased fatigue , anyone else? anyway i feel so relievd. when i was preparing dinner tonight I had a sense of my old self, i got excited about the fresh basil and cilantro, all the wonderful fruits and veggies in season..and i just felt festive in general..which makes me realize how much i loose myself when i am sick..and taken away from the small joys and pleasures.
I have a question, albeit, i think i already know the answer. I swim in a pool that does use chlorine. I know the dangers of chlorine and also the fact the body dosnt recognize chlorine as a toxin, but could indeed take it for iodine. I have neuropathy in my left leg so water therapy right now is my means of excercise. I am wondering if i am doing this , while doing AI if my body cant clear the chemicals if i am swimming several days out of the week. Anyone? Thoughts? the pool i go to dosnt use alot, and its outdoor..but its still chlorine. I am urging them to switch over to salt water..but its a process..anway feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Misty
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Misty, Next time you send your sample in, add a few drops of the pool water on a piece of tissue, wrap it separately in a tiny plastic bag and put it with the plastic wrapped saliva folding foil around it so it won't dry out.
HG can then test it with your saliva and include it in your drops.
In this country, you are still soaked with chlorine even in your bathtub - another exposure that other countries try to avoid. And then the water is topped of with fluoride, which is even worse.
So glad, Runner, that you are feeling these moments of the good life. You will reach the point when it will stay with you --- just a bit more patience is needed. You have worked so hard at it and really deserve it.
Take care.
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Gigi, thank you. Will do..I think i did this 2 rounds back, but its possible it could have dried. I will also write to HG and mention this.
I agree about the chlorine in the bath tub..It can be very difficult to avoid. one pro is the little units you can put into the bath tub that contain a resin to absorb impurities.. We graduate so many from medical school in this country yet we are so behind in more ways than a few.
I am strongly advocating a salt water pool in my area..albeit , not many are listening..and when i offer a solution they pick it apart.
Thank you Gigi for your encouraging words and continued information and advice...it helps during this time and has been useful to so many over the years.
Take care! Runner
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Wow. That's really terrific news, LP, and even more compelling since both your son and daughter seem to have added resilience since starting AI.
And more good news from Runner and Kissis, as well.
Re fruits and veggies: Hybridization is one thing; genetic modification is quite another. Humans just don't seem to know when to quit tinkering.
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Thanks for the chlorine info.
Both of my kids are competitive swimmers for many years. Still in chlorine, but so many multiple pools. All different chemicals mixed with chlorine. Sometimes Bromine is used instead of chlorine and my daughter gets a skin rash from that. She has bad skin, dry and acne as well. Still has those problems. Believe they are hormonal as well as chemical/toxin related due to recirculating toxins.
I did put that in the info to A.I. originally, and keep putting it on the "not changed" category. Hoping there would be a remedy for that in the drops for them.
I'll have them add a sample of the current water they are in to add for AI. next round. HG never mentioned to do that to me in emails. Thanks.
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I'm pleased to hear your good news, Lp, Runner and Kissis: I would certainly love it if my feet [and body generally] warmed up a bit. I'm glad that you have noticed improvement too with your husband's feet, Gigi.
As to vegetables, we grow some ourselves, mainly summer salads, herbs, beans, courgettes and tomatoes [also fruit trees], but live in a town centre, so have a fairly small garden.
However, as well as 2 local supermarkets stocking some organic food, we are lucky enough to have an organic farm and shop only 2 miles away which has won awards:
There is meat, eggs, lots of vegetables and fruit there for sale year round [they import when they have to], also many non-perishable foods, cosmetics, cleaning products and a great cafe. Having access to this shop has made it easy for us to eat healthily over the 10 years it has been open.
My fourth round drops arrived yesterday. I haven't yet noticed extra energy, Runner, when I start them: infact I've just had improved energy for 2 weeks in the gap!
I've been doing the Donna Eden 5 minute energy routine too!
Carry
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Your welcome about chlorine. I also did alot of swimming, most distance though, and some with masters. My skin too breaks out but did before i swam. I did some research on thyroid, which lead me to supplement with iodomere. There is where i found info on what the body does with iodine, and also chlorine and bromine, they are sisters all in the same family. you can do an iodine patch test on your girls..try lugols..a few drops or so on their arm or a nice place and wait to see how long it takes to get absorbed. Healthly healing, Runner
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I started my 6th round of drops 5 days ago.
Yesterday and today it felt like my sinuses were starting to fill up and I was afraid I might be coming down with something. I was very tired last night.
Now I think that it's just the drops stirring something up. I've had this kind of thing other times. With the first set of drops I had an extremely sore throat for a couple of weeks. In a later round, I also had the sinus thingy.
Coincidently, I did turn on the heat pump/furnace yesterday, and the heat was on another place I went today, so that might have riled up some allergens.
I wonder if anyone else has had any increased facial flushing with the drops. I have had rosacea for many years, and flushing is a common thing for me, but this seems above and beyond the norm.
I keep hoping the flushing and facial redness might eventually clear, because it's really unpleasant.
I have still been having many vivid dreams, and clearing of emotional issues related to childhood, young-adult traumas, and an ongoing relationship. It continues even between rounds of drops.
About the chlorine, I did water aerobics about 3 hours a week in the outdoor city pool for 9 weeks this summer.
I didn't notice any major symptoms, but I suppose I did add to the toxic burden. Didn't think of it at the time.
The only thing I recall is that my rashes cleared up on my trunk area and upper thighs.
Always interesting stuff going on for me with the drops, and helpful discussions here.
Thanks all, Nutmeg
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Hi All.. When you talk about rounds of drops.? IS this all included in the full treatment price?
Also did you send them blood or saliva?
Also how long did it take for them to send you the test kit?
Thanks
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Also.. How long is this process for all of you doing it?
From someone who has been through this can you help me see the picture of what the process is like.
Such as
!. Wait for test? How long? 2. Send in Samples. and wait on result How Long? 3. Get Drops? How Long? Etc etc.>>?
Yes very new and trying to read and learn and figure out what this therapy is about and entails. Thanks for any help.
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Hi Nutmeg, i go through very similiar situations you have described. i have very vivid dreams and it feel like i am working through childhood traumas. and some later around when the illness started. for instance today i was in the store and i was skimming through the souop isle. i cam across a broccoli soup i used to take with me many years ago when i was being treated in atlanta for lyme, and it brought back every memory like i was there just with the sight of that soup..i have situations that happen like this alot..which i find interesting.
i am having this sinus hting that has been occuring for afew weeks where stuff is trying to come out. my sinuses are dry and when i wrinkle my nose it hurts. this is been ahppening for about 3 months now..
anyway..i agree the discussions are very helpful. take care,
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Hi All.. When you talk about rounds of drops.? IS this all included in the full treatment price?
Yes, it is. All rounds, no matter how many you will need are included in that one price. The only thing AI are asking that you send them $10. for postage with each new round.
Also did you send them blood or saliva?
You can send salive or blood, makes no difference.
Also how long did it take for them to send you the test kit?
You really don't need to wait for a test kit. Send them a couple of drops on a kleenex, put in baggie, flatwrap that in foil, and send in regular letter envlope airmail with 98 cent postage.
Enclose note with age, sex, and major symptoms, and use the PayPal feature to send them the fee. You can do the test only - and send them money accordingly. Or send them the total sum for the total therapy. If you decide to do the therapy after you get your first test results, no bottle, then you just have to wait a bit longer to start the therapy.
It takes about ten days for your mail to reach them. They do the test and it takes about another ten days for the test results to come. They can also send the results by e-mail while you wait for the drops to come. Depends on whether you are starting test only, no bottle, or total therapy.
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posted 05 October, 2009 12:49 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Also.. How long is this process for all of you doing it?
From someone who has been through this can you help me see the picture of what the process is like.
Such as
!. Wait for test? How long? 2. Send in Samples. and wait on result How Long? 3. Get Drops? How Long? Etc etc.>>?
Yes very new and trying to read and learn and figure out what this therapy is about and entails. Thanks for any help.
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Springshowers, some people need less rounds than others. Americans as a rule seem to need more, and if you read the thread you will understand.
The longer one has been chronically ill, the longer the therapy.
When you get your first bottle, you take the drops for 14 days and stop. We sometimes continue using it -- it keeps the regulation open, unblocked at least sometime.
On day 15 you send them another sample, giving them an indication what symptoms have changed/better, what got worse, and which symptoms remain. Just so they have a general idea how you are responding to the therapy.
They do not do well with English, especially responding is difficult. Short and in few words is best.
They will then test the new saliva sample and give you a short report sending you another bottle with drops.
Most people can take 5 drops three times a day. Doesn't need to be exact timing. Just spreading them out sort of evenly.
That is about all. If you have any questions, you can always ask the people here - we are all learning as we go along. I speak German, so I can call them and they are always, always available and take time to answer my questions helping whenever they can.
Hope that helps, and sorry I sort of hurried through your questions. It's way past my bedtime.
Take care.
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Thank you thank you That helps a ton to give me an idea of how this works. I so appreciate it. i did watch the video and read the links you sent me and have read most of this thread.
I am very interesting in proceeding and though was a bit unclear on how some of this works out.
So if they have a tough time with english that is somewhat concerning but you say they can understand enough to read the notes we write?
So maybe using single words on our symptom list and maybe ratings and then send that again with changes might work best.?
How do others find the communication and how you you communicate or write up your progress and symptoms or additional symptoms or improvments etc?
Any help appreciated.
Thanks GIGI.. I appreciate what you wrote. That is a HUGE help for a newbie. I did not see those sort of details on the site anywhere but did email then with some questions.
So I do see they said I do not have to wait for the test sample kit to come to me...... And can do what you said..
So would it matter if the blood dried out or the salavia dry out.?
I have a port and have the option of putting blood into a small vial or something. I guess if everyone else has just sent things that way an it gets there and is testable just fine I would not need to worry about it...
Foil and then a ziplock of some sort sounds like what works. What do the rest of you do for sending in the samples that works best?
Thanks again.
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Hi Springshowers, you don't need to send a small vial of blood. Just a couple of drops or saliva.
I don't think it dries out and even if it did - if they are looking at DNA, it's still there.
I have always gotten answers to my short questions to them. If it is more complicated I call on Gigi for assistance.
My list of symptoms or what has changed or not is always short and to the point - no long sentences.
I always put my sample in a ziplock but often forget the foil and it doesn't seem to have presented a problem.
take care
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I would avoid the foil directly on the saliva. Pack it in a baggie and seal it.
They do not recommend people taking any medicines unless they are for life support and in acute situations. For instance, Asthmatics can use their meds; or heart medicines. The less the better. There is much discussion on it in the thread. Also read the discussion about homeopathics.
They are not curing diseases per se. They are trying to correct an autonomic nervous system gone haywire. Think of faulty wiring in a house: you push the switch in the basement, but the light goes on only dimly in the attick. Or You hit the key "w" on the keyboard and you get an @ on the screen! Faulty software.
Take care.
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Runner, Please explain the Lugols test details for chlorine, and what to look for? lp
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take lugols iodine and rub it on an area of your skin, inside the thigh or arm. see how long it takes to absorb. the patch of iodine should stay for 24 hours.. how long yours stays is an indicator of how deficient in iodine you are.
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THanks for the details.
What do you put the salavia and blood on? I read paper and tissue ?? What do you all use that works best or does that not matter either?
So avoid the foil? Ok..
THANKS
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