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I agree - you really do have to proceed cautiously with this. This is why I started off with the LightWorks only. I wanted to see what the effect was just by itself.
It's quite strong despite being a relatively inexpensive device.
When using homeopathic preparations or nosodes - you have to be very careful. The combination of the infrared light & the remedy are very intense. I took one remedy with the light & it lasted for a couple of weeks.
This may not be the case for everyone but it was for me. These remedies like mycoplasmas or borellia, etc. are very strong. They are serious pathogens!
It's not like you are taking a flower remedy or an aspirin... People can have serious reactions to even these things, too.
This is what I always say - so slow & be careful. I know some of you may know this but it's just a gentle reminder. It seems like "woo woo" stuff but it's not. It's very intense.
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Are the bionic folks having the same problem or did the IV ozone wipe out the nasties that some mught have been harboring? Was the 3 weeks of treatment enough to bring them all out?
If not.. could some of them be dealing with the same thing?
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Not all the bionic folk got the IV ozne, which was seemingly for those emerging critters. Seems those that showed a need got them. After that, I guess they are on their own. If the 3 weeks is enough to pull the bugs out that are going to come out???
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My story may be different. I'm treating mycoplasmas. I'm sure all the IVs helped.
I may have to treat Bb at another time but my focus is on mycoplasmas right now. So, my experiences may be very different. I noticed that my symptoms were different than most here for a while.
I had a clinical diagnosis for Lyme. Mycoplasmas & Lyme have similarities & overlaps. It's hard to say since so much of the standard testing is not accurate.
I may have had both but it seems mycoplasmas are more prevalent for me now...
I think the IV ozone was for people with cognitive impairment.
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Six had mentioned not getting ozone at all when she went to Germany for the treatment with Dr. W. Only some will require depending their viral load or other the kinds of anaerobic bacteria in the mix.
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Question would be how to treate emerging pathogens in a quick way. To have to test for what it is and wait for homeopathic vials doesnt sound comforting.
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It's common for many of us to not get a proper diagnosis for many years... It took me 9 years to get a diagnosis & quite alot of money.
I lived in NJ - which is highly endemic, too.
By that time, I was in a chronic state & too ill to do much as far as working goes. I also was denied disability after working for over 25 years...
Makes me kind of angry to think of it... I know I'm not the only person this has happened to.
Waiting a few days for a homeopathic remedy is no way near as bad as waiting 9 years for a proper diagnosis. If this illness was caught in a timely manner - it would have saved me years of suffering.
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I thinking about if it is something like TB that can kill you as bejoy was referring to. That scares me big time. I can see waiting for other things. Hoping the scary kill you fast pathogens are not very commonly brought out (or there in the first place) by the photons.
Then if pathogens are brought out.. energetic testing wont cut it unless you know what to ask your body?
So that could mean asyra testing might be beneficial to line up as part of treatment?
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I think the Asyra test was very worthwhile! All of this stuff that effects us is very complex & a bit over my head.
Having the Asyra test was very helpful to sort it all out & prioritize. My doctor helped me with that. Some objectivity is very helpful.
Not everyone has "things" pop up out of the woodwork (so to speak) with the infrared light. Some people use it with no problems.
You just have to be very cautious with it if you have Lyme or other serious pathogens.
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Thanks, Sparkle. I am putting together a plan. I am so skiddish, that it helps me to feel safer before I proceed. I will add asyra as part of my plan. Continuing with neuromodulation and will see how beneficial.. then asyra for a scan and AI is in consideration. Thanks...
I am wondering is something were to pop up that needed very swift action if colloidal silver might be a good thing. I dont feel comfortable using long term (yet) but it might be a good thing for such occasions??? MMS??? Bob, what do you think?
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Just tossing this into the topic: When you kill an infectious disease rapidly that suppresses the immune system, the niche it held would immediately be filled by another species as a consequence of the immune system not having had time to be restored which may happen more smoothly during a slower treatment.
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Metallic, I think you are right, but I think there is more to it.
My overall impression of biophoton therapy with nosodes is that it works phenomenally well.
I made a stupid mistake, twice. I exposed myself to over 30 varieties of nosodes directly following a long light treatment.
It seems to me that I got my immune system active chasing so many pathogens already in my body, that it wasn't able to go after others in my personal environment.
In my case slower treatment would have amounted to limiting nosodes to two or three at once.
I want to see people being able to use this technology independently. I feel as though that can be possible for those who are skilled at muscle testing or dousing, but I feel the obligation to warn people of the serious risks I have run in to.
My best advice to seekers at this moment in time:
If you want to use biophotons and nosodes, either go to Germany to somebody already experienced, or buy your own Lightworks or PE-1, and work with a skilled and open minded practitioner who is willing to learn with you.
I'm better now, by the way, and back to working on fungals.
R62, the two brands of silver I have the most confidence in are the Smart Silver from Desbio, and the Argentyn 23 from Allergy Research Group.
That's what I used when I needed swift action, along with grapefruit seed extract, and it was effective.
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Thanks Metallic Blue!
I've been going very slow with the mycoplasma remedy... I'm only using that remedy with the LightWorks. I doing it very infrequently, too. I think I've only done it 4 times in over a month & a half.
The only other homeopathic preparation I'm taking is Lymphomyosot by HEEL. I'm taking it orally - since my bobber is saying to do it that way.
It seems like it's a slow process with the mycoplasmas in my case. I may have had them for many years. I'm having alot of shoulder & neck pain, swollen glands...
It reminds me of when I had chronic fatigue syndrome when I was in my 20's... Pretty weird.
I'm glad you're feeling better, bejoy!
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I partially agree with Metallic blue too. While I was starting my light experiments, I opened my box of bacteries to see if I needed to treat anything else than borrelia and got a positive for more than 50 different pathogens.
I did it a couple of times to be sure, as it seemed next to 'impossible' to my brain. Unfortunately, I kept testing on and on positive for these (I think it was 65 positive pathogens in one box)... Very disappointing.
I just reopened again last week and this week, and I need to treat only a couple now. So from 50 to a couple in a few weeks. The only reason that I can think of is that borrelia is much weaker now, or back to hidden /inactive state.
The people who did the Bionic also said that after borrelia got dormant, many of the pathogens that were testing before went to dormant (stopped testing).
When my borrelia is active, I'll get almost immediately many food allergies back (immune disfunction) and I suspect, all these pathogens get 'awaken' together, but low profile.
So for me, active borrelia = shutdown immune system, in all senses (allergies and infections).
I wouldn't do different if I had to re-do it again, this fast killing with photons, I mean. I would try to kill borrelia as fast as possible again (speaking for my own experience only).
The slow killing could make sense theoretically, but I could never see myself getting better while my borrelia was still active, even if very low profile in the past.
I got TB first time active WHILE borrelia was active in 2007, plus all candida and fungal infections, all simultaneously to active borreliosis. So TB can appear any time, with or without borrelia. I think my TB came active due to BCG vaccination I had as a child. I had to treat it with the BCG nosode recently.
TB came and went during these last years, until a few weeks ago. I think I knocked it down too, but again, only time will tell. It was a tough war, somehow tougher than borrelia because it needed multiple remedies while with borrelia, I'm exclusively fighting it with borrelia nosodes and antibody nosodes.
But as Bejoy says and seeing what Sparkle is going through now, it is clear to me that one needs a skilled energetic practioner to use infrared devices. It is not something to play around.
Or educate yourself as well as you can, do courses, tests, buy all the necessary things in case of emergency like I had done in the last years. And get your practioners to help you in case of emergency.
Bejoy is on lots of cleansers, daughter and I too. Bob from Maryland too. A killing protocol is very easy with infrared. What is difficult, like with any protocol, is finding the right cleansing substances which for me is more than clear, they MUST COME IN COMBO. We have too many detox organs to keep up and with the excessive killing, I have no doubt, we need a complex detox protocol.
I see that for me, my daughter and the people I help (with active borreliosis). The cleaning substances will vary from person to person, and need constant changes according to toxins that show up. Some people detox better than others, but the people I test are very similar to me and my daughter (bad detoxing). ---------
I think my lyme starts to feel as something from the past. For the first time, I start to feel confident that borrelia may not come back for me. I can't say for my daughter as I'm not in her body to tell.
And if it comes back , I can put it back to its place (dormant) quite fast, that is what I start to believe. I think it's this feeling of having inner energy that makes the whole difference. I am not in energy saving mode for the last months like I had to be in the last years. Or decades? Even on the contrary, many times.
I find Sanum essential to use in support to getting better. Because of these parallel infections that come, specially candida, fungal, mucor species, and the polysans to clean antibodies of past infections.
If you guys have no way to check which infections surface (with or WITHOUT infrared treatments), I find that the chance to heal is very low. My opinion. Energetic tests are a must. Asyra, muscle tests, pendulum, whatever, done by someone you trust.
I have almost all Sanum plus these bacterial nosode boxes and I find they were sufficient to keep me out of danger (danger = having to get back to ER and being treated/killed by these ducks). It looks exageration, but the more I read about medical mistakes, the more I'm convinced I'm right to get away from hospitals (even though they do save lives many times, I admit).
When Sanum can't get the new emerging infections, I'm using one or very few nosodes from these bacterial boxes with infrared. Only for pathogens that Sanum doesn't address.
I find the Sanum way to address these common pathogens better than simply using nosodes. The reason is that with Sanum, one can ingest, rub, do the photon treatment, treat L-forms and treat antibodies. It is much more complete as an anti-infective treatment.
With the nosodes from Stauphen or Meripharm, usually, we only treat with bacterial nosodes through light, that's all.
But Sanum covers quite a lot, I find, of the most common pathogens that make our lives hellish. Dr. K. is a great fan of Sanum too.
Even for the so called HEALTHY people, I see them testing for these Sanum on and on and on, so it's not only us that have been lymed for so many years.
(I think I should work for Sanum???!!)
What is great is that ONLY one pathogen is usually surfacing now, each at a time, while before, when I reached remission previously (meaning, borrelia and all tickborn pathogens got dormant), I had to still fight many many pathogens simultaneously.
Only on my skin, I had so many active at the same time that I kept wondering what kind of ecossystem my body had....
I'm still new on the many Heel products I'm using but feeling hopeful that they'll address the rest of problems for me and my family.
I'm doing my own protocol for allergy elimination using saliva that are testing excellent for all of us at home. The stuff is also helping me to balance hormones.
We're also back to chelation WITH infrared, but I REALLY don't recommend that to anyone as this is powerful. I've been chelating for about 3 years before I started on this infrared-homeopathic chelation, so I think what I'm getting now are the stuck metals that I couldn't get with other methods.
They are still popping out, pains here and there, I'm taking quite some chlorella again. Zeolites, alpha lipoic acid, phospholipides, or NDF are not testing, so I'm on my old chlorella + bear garlic + milk thistle + liver herbs mix for these metals...
I was using loads of Sanum last year still, even when my borrelia was dormant, before infrared. Now I only use Sanum like the so called healthy people do. One product here and then. Before infrared treatment I was EATING Sanum, many products a day, rubbed, ingested, sniffed (!) even with dormant borrelia.
What I want to say is that definitively, for me, killing borrelia with infrared meant something else than merely putting borrelia dormant like I did before with herbs, KMT, ingested homeopathics.
There is something done to my immune system or to my body that is different from what I did before with ingested nosodes, homeopathics, herbs. And I feel my body is stronger, it just feels stronger (not in physical force only, but with inner energy), I can't explain it better.
Only time will tell though, if this will remain so.
I am not only treating with borrelia nosodes, but adding many other products through light as you could see in this thread. Borrelia (high dilutions only) is just a tiny part now.
My next experiment will be on Magnesium homeopathic through light.
I'll continue exploring the procaine homeopathic through infrared too, to try to keep my health as it is now. If my health is stable as it is in this moment, despite the fact that I have to still fight one or another infection, for me, this is perfect. I reached what I wanted.
Of course, that would be a dream if it continues like this forever. But I need to see what my pandora box will still reserve to me in the next months to come.
The energy is here with me since almost day one I used my PE1. With little ups and downs (during herxing or detoxing phases), but I see a general curve going upwards.
I'll still go on treating my mouth, buying another book about it soon. And still doing my ART courses this spring again!
I can read, understand German so well (proud of myself!) while before I had still to fight with words and long sentences, so that's why I can buy books in German now and ENJOY reading them. I attribute great part of it to this inner energy too, my brain and memory are working better!
I think I can get away from lyme forums soon!
What I am more interested now is on cancer preventive treatments (Heel seems promising...) and how to keep on cleaning and balancing organs, glands to avoid future catastrophes (AI or similar, Heel again, procaine, psychokinesiology and so on)....
I think I'll go for Nurse Andi's detox kit too, but she doesn't answer me...
I'll still post sometimes, but I think my life needs a change!
It's a pleasure to keep in contact with people through PMs or email though!
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I just want to mention that they have used photon treatments in the spanish speaking countries for some years. I found some info on the internet via googling photon treatment, and there were some threads on photon fabric from Italy, and photon saunas, that patients with rheumatism and chronic fatigue found very helpful.
They were presented with those things in Spain (lots of rheumatic people go to spain from here) and someone wrote a paper on photon treatment: http://www.photon.no/modx/assets/docs/Photon_redusersmerte.pdf you will have to use google translate or something else, the original is in norwegian.
The fabric is vivirex in Italy and vivitex here in scandinavia, and the patents are japanese. Several cfs patients have gotten from bed-ridden to almost perfectly normal.
I was thinking, maybe this works with hoemopathic nosodes taped to the solar plexus.....we have the domes here at some locations, and other people have bought the garments.
Note the side effects say, increased effect of medicines, and hyperhtyroidism (scott had this happen according to his posting) so it seems to work just as well as the machine. maybe. Just wondering.
Also, six wrote that she did speak spanish to the staff in Pforzheim....maybe the Germans lerant from the spanish about photons?
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What about the people coming home with the bionic? At that point at least some are on their own.
It is the clearing of Bb that seems to be the most important? And the inital 3 weeks of whatever comes up being zapped with the ozone? If not, they are in the same boat? Pathogens emerging possibly many at a time? How many of them have the help or a photon literate medical professional?
What type of back up would be wise?
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I've used the far infared fabric & it's not like using a device with LEDs... same goes for the saunas & domes. It's just not as concentrated as LEDs.
Thank you for all of your support & descriptions, Selma.
I tested to orally ingest the 60x (#3) mycoplasma remedy today... & not use the infrared light with it.
I can't really use the infrared light that much. I have to be cautious with it. If I overdo it, I start getting diarrhea & I have to cut back.
I was studying some of Dr K's (in WA) work & he said many interesting things about mercury & other toxins in conjunction with Lyme. I used the infrared light last summer --- & in 3 weeks I was having a massive detox from my intestines.
It's possible that it may have been the borellia that was living in my intestines. He said that the majority of the Lyme bacteria is in the gut or intestines... I was using it without any nosodes or remedies.
Since then, the prominent bacteria for me may have switched to mycoplasmas...?
I'm just going to continue to treat the mycoplasma infection. I have been having quite alot of back, shoulder & neck pain. I also have been having some problems with my eyes, fatigue, & cognitive issues.
I've been ill for so long - it's hard to tell what it dysfunction & what it "normal"...
My main detox agent is charcoal. That seems to be the one that usually comes up. I have others here but I usually just get the charcoal & sometimes chlorella...
Clay can also be useful but I haven't been using it recently.
I really can't say anything about the therapy with the Bionic. You would have to ask the people who went to Germany or have the Bionic.
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I found something interesting in using the LED. For most of what I was doing I was treating the body not the energy around the body. It has been posted how moving the LED away from the body actually penetrates deeper into the body. Just curious about your thoughts.
Robin, I think MMS over the long term at about 6 drops twice a day for 4 to 8 months as long as you test is the ultimate killer for lyme. I've tested myself several times and I don't have lyme anymore, my LLND thought I still had the memory of lyme. Instead, I felt it was the dead organisms protein had cleared my body. We tested several times and we both agree the organism is dead inside me, and I'm just trying to clear the proteins. I'm ingesting borrelia vials to remove those proteins still trapped within cells and somehow get picked up again in cellular regeneration.
One last point on MMS, it is much more powerful when treating with an LED, the LED forces lyme from the cells possibly into spirokete form if it survives past the bodies defenses. Then it is susceptible to MMS.
Lyme still leaves you with symptoms of dysregulation. So cellular repair and organ function as well as clearing auto-immune issues are still key. Hard to do with all the other pathogens we harbor that had grown as a result of the original dysfunction.
I now hold the LED any where from 2 inches to 12 inches away from my body. I can't believe the difference.
Its interesting about the LED and what vials to use. I created a borrelia nosode to treat with the LED, but I don't test positively for it at all. Mycoplasma yes! Ingesting borrelia yes! Also ingesting the mycoplasma remedy is included 8 drops 3 times a day.
Just some random thoughts. I don't have too much time to expand.
Oh for me right now, I'm not testing for any cleansers, good sign I hope. If I'm cleansing it is just through food. Such as a combination of apple juice and carrot juice, a more natural cleanser. So guys test that out, I know there is a lot of sugar, so make sure to test. Also if you can get it lots of dandelion greens another natural cleanser as well as parsley.
Sparkle keep at it! Its great to hear you are doing better Bejoy!
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Brussels sent me this great article on detox - (I hope you don't mind I'm posting it.)
Practical detoxification and drainage (scroll to page 11)
It's kind of advanced but it was very informative. It makes alot of sense to me.
I'm going to start testing to use the LEDs for the biofield & for the physical body. I think it's easy for me to over do it - so, I'm going slow. It does take time to detox from a lifetime of exposure to toxins & pathogens.
I've read apple pectin is a good cleanser... You know what they say - an apple a day... You may want to eat the whole apple, not just the juice, Bob.
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Sparkle7, I'd prefer to think of my apple before lunch as my lunchtime hors d'oeuvres and not just an apple. lol
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I had my second neuromodulation therapy today. Dont know what to say... or think. This is definitely outside the box so to speak.
She cleared me of inability to recognize exo and endo toxins and other toxins (cant remember) last week.
She worked on my immune system this week. This included receptivity to healing/compliance to treatment. It covers beliefs surrounding health.. guilt, fear, belief one can recover. It covers past present blocks as in genetics and "miasms" (probably not in the traditional homeopathic sense. ??). She covered recognition, healthy immune reaction, autoimmunity.. cant remember it all. It was very thorough.. no drops, all energetic.
We shall see..
Bejoy.. thanks. I do have some argentyn here. Bob.. thanks.. I wold love to hear more of your protocol.
Sparkle, I have constant loose stools and have been wondering if it is die off. Keep testing for clay 1 tbs. I just try to keep hydrated, mineralized and electrolyted... ???
Thank you all for sharing.
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Charcoal is good too...
I used to take clay, psylium, charcoal & chlorella when I has going through a heavy detox.
I even tried a coffee enema but I didn't really see a big benefit to it. Some people swear by them.
I was really detoxing heavy at the time...
I think Lauracidin may be helpful with fungal or yeast overgrowth, too.
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What do you know or think about photons treating for parasites, like liver flukes?
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I don't know anything about that. I don't know if I have it...?
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If you are going to use light for parasites or worms it needs to be coordinated with other things, IMO. It may cause some problems in these organisms or kill them, but it depends on the organisms susceptability to light. Light doesn't usually kill directly, it stimulates the immune system to do that.
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you guys have such an in depth conversation ongoing.. i cannot frequent the board lately, and it takes a while for me to catch up.
i'm just following along as best i can at this point and appreciating the archive being created by all of you.
i have no light devise, some of you know my son's severe case, and now i have a daughter here who was re-bitten last fall and with some chronic stomach problems i suspect may be infectious cause, (she was treated for tbd's as a baby and was well for years, treated for this bite with ab's, with stomach probelems since. without explaining all that has been done, i now have reason to suspect the stomach problem may be tbd's).
so, i'm researching light.
only question pertaining to the thread now is this: we see the homeopath dr. whit. in ny steadily for a couple of years now (he has a great article on tbd's, seems to truly understand them, but, being classical, he does not "treat" them, perse, but treats the symptoms.)
he treats my daughter and i have the entire home kit he recommends - about 50 remedies - and i treat myself, tho i do not have tbd symptoms any longer.
so, my experience for the past couple of years follows classical homeopathy, i've read several books, and use webhomeopath for a guide.
(btw - they have a huge database of prooved remedies and symptoms, punch in symptoms and you get a detailed list and descriptions - kent, clarke and boericke - neat database to learn from, there is an annual fee of about 50 dollars i believe)
the remedies work very well for myself and daughter, till recently with her having a very deep abdominal imbalance that the remedies are not correcting.
so, i'm studying potentiation of homeopathy ala work of dr. w. in germany.
in any event, i have refills on my kit to place, and i wonder if anyone has heard of or used standard homeopathic in l.a., those are the remedies our homeopath recommends.
cheers, m
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Mo, do you like Dr. W? I know of another lyme/babesia patient who I didn't think was doing too well with him. I almost went to him but decided not to, for various reasons.
I have 100 remedies--from a homeopathic place in Santa Fe, the remedies are good and potent. I have them in 30c and 200c.
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Using the infrared light seems to make the remedies much stronger or enhances the potency. It's really all experimental, though.
I'm not sure about the place in LA.
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mine are 200c, the #20 size, teeny pellets.
i like dr. w allot overall. really seems to be an excellent homeopath in the classic sense. going for the deeper cure. he's taught me allot, and i've seen amazing results.
however, i do know of others with tbd's who fell short in healing while with him (but i honestly don't know what they did to support his treatment, or much about their cases at all to be able to judge, i do know they did not give it much time).
he treated my dd's pneumonia some time ago with stunning results, improved her immune system notably post baby tbd's and lengthy antibiotic tx- and this is the first time i have run into any health stumbling block with her, just now with this stomach problem -
tho, to his credit, she was treated with abx prophylactically for the tick bite in the fall (which he obviously disagreed with), so that threw off his care considerably, and he has not indicated he doesn't know what to do about this problem... it just has not resolved over the course of many weeks, so i'm getting ansy.
i will see him again soon and see where he goes with it.
instinctively, i think my family will need light therapy in our lives living in the northeast no matter what, and i hope to get my son more intensive treatment when he is able to transition.
now, in my son's case, i do not think dr. w (ny) would be able to help. far too complicated, far too many meds, and ds does not have the capability due to his neuro symptoms to make the necessary commitment to the kind of work required, at least not for now.
that's my quick summary, oxybabe, if it helps at all.
i do like him allot, and still determining what limitations he may have, if any..
thanks sparkle, ya, i am very interested as to the difference between using the remedies traditionally and with light devises.
m
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ps to clarify what i mean by cases that can benefit from care like dr. w's -
we first went to him when my daughter was in the midst of a bad case of pneumonia. i did not want her treated with any more ab's, so went to him for care, she was very sick and we dove into his recommendations because we had to.
he is hard line homeopathy. ie: let the fever burn, absolutely no other meds or even herbals to calm cough.. in fact, no herbs for treatment whatsoever, just the remedies.
probiotics, kefir, lemon, honey, foodstuffs like coconut oil is fine, but nothing taken to "treat" other than remedies based on real time constallation of symptoms.
i think alot of cases would not be able to comply with abandoning all of that.
we did, and her pneumonia cleared with no other meds, and quickly.
i have not put him to the test with tbd's because up till now, she was not dealing with them as active infection. now she may be.
...he was also definitely great for post-abx constitutional and immune problems.
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Mo, amazing story about pneumonia. I wouldn't be as brave as you to use 100% classical homeopathy, I do think you trust your doctor!!!
Your doctor will not then support this nosode craze as most hard core classic homoepaths are not for isopathy.
It is a very different approach indeed (Nosodes + low diluted herbs for cleaning). I guess this Dr W from germany approach is less 'complete' than classical homeopathy as it will not deal with miasms like your dr is doing.
But in my opionion, no way, nosodes through photons is the fastest killing method I ever experienced. I don't think any combo of abx or herbs can compete with the simple power of nosodes through infra red.
It has NOTHING to compare with ingested nosodes, in my opinion, as I already treated myself with ingested borrelia nosodes and never got the results I got with photons.
As for classic remedies through light, I haven't tried this (except for psorinum for hubby, who's a psoriatic type). It tests good but it's not exactly classical remedy (=one basic remedy at a time). I use the Heel psorinum compositum on him, loads of other components there, not done for hubby, but sold over the counter (so very different from classical approach).
So far, so good for hubby. He is on classical approach treatment for the last 10 years too (funny, also with psorinum as main remedy), not very often, but he gets treated once or twice a year to treat his miasms. Like we all are at home, but we only use classical treatments now once a year or so...
So definitively, I would try the nosode treatment BUT with great care for detox. Just see what has been happening here in this thread.
We are not concentrating in lyme treatment anymore at home, but we are 95% on other treatments now. No more coinfections either for many weeks. Just daughter is still testing for borrelia garinii, so I gotta try to get the right nosodes.
Sorry to hear your daughter is having GI symptoms. My daughter's main lyme symptoms are GI problems. The swolen joint was a new symptom for her. Her lyme is 90% in the intestines, like for many children, I heard.
so far, nothing stressed my liver so much as this killing with nosodes thorugh light. So for liver, I'm on a lot of products. I just got the Systemic Drainage from Desbio, it tests also excellent to take through light.
I believe I am also treating miasms with my machine, but the treatment for miasms has to be on the surrounding photon field. I either use a combined homeopathic formula or mere Nogier frequencies on this area, so far, it works amazingly well. The classic homeopathic substances stop testing for ingestion when I only treat the surrounding field (WITHOUT the homeopathic substance). It's almost unbelievable.
but, as I said before, no energetic tests, not a good start as everything needs testing (where to put the nosodes, other homeopathics, where to apply light, which frequencies, which potency, for how long, etc etc).
I think you do some energy tests, right Mo? If yes, get any of these light machines , I'm sure you'll find your way around (The Bionic is probably still the best as it has documented successes behind).
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Hi, Mo!
I'm so thrilled to have someone post who has some experience with Dr. Wh.! Thanks so much for posting! It's great to get first-hand information and evaluation. I'm very hopeful that he will be able to treat your daughter's current issues effectively..... and hopefully, it won't take too much time since the onset was fairly recent.
I do find it interesting that Doc Wh. didn't want you to use anything to `treat' other than the remedies, but it makes sense to me. For instance, how can you judge the efficacy of the remedy if you are doing other things? Unless you have some source of energetic testing, it's almost impossible to sort out what may be working or interfering. And the fever thing makes sense, too - we are often too quick to react to fevers. Fevers are a GOOD thing and shouldn't be artificially cut short without good cause.
.... I've tried using the `free' version of webhomeopath, with very disappointing results. I can see where it's necessary to subscribe to the site and pay the fee in order to obtain helpful results. It's very painstaking to use books or online Repertories and do it the old fashioned way....
I have a few remedies made by Standard Homeopathic in L.A. - they seem to work just fine. I have never heard anything about that lab, positive or negative, so it's interesting to note that Doc Wh. recommends them. I would guess that the pellet size is #20 in the bottles I have here - much larger than the #10 poppyseed-size granules from Santa Fe, but smaller than the common #30 pellet size.
Like you, I learned SO MUCH from working closely with an online classical homeopath for about a year..... and I plan to work with her again.
Well, better get going - I'm slammed with stuff that `has to be done' here, but just wanted to pop in and respond.....
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Mo, thanks for the detailed response about Dr. Wh.
I read up on his father before thinking about seeing him. I even read a special issue tribute to his father. His father was Jewish--got out of Germany just before his parents were slaughtered--became a Jungian analyst and a homeopath. He was a mentor to Ronald Wh. His name had been Edward Weissberg. He changed it to Christopher Edward Whitmont (weiss berg in german means white mountain, and whitmont in french means white mountain) and preferred to be called Christopher. I found this fascinating and perturbing, that he so completely abdicated his Jewish name, even the Edward part--and chose Christopher (which has Christ in it)--and a french surname. Seeing as he was a Jungian analyst and dealt with archetypes I wondered how he had justified this to himself, as it was some kind of rejection (I interpreted) of his Jewish history. In addition, stranger still, he voluntarily became a protege of an analyst in Germany who was a former Nazi sympathizer. I found this all perturbing and felt it was not dealt with by the father, or by any of the followers in the entire homeopathic community--and if homeopathy deals with miasms that include inherited behaviors and vulnerabilities--and certainly Jungian analysis deals with deep archetypes and primitive feelings--etc .
Meanwhile--when he fell ill at the end of his life--he went to a clinic in Germany supposedly for holistic treatment but against his express wishes they gave him allopathic treatment and he quickly failed and came home to die. I also wondered---again this is perhaps overanalyzing but I tend to have that kind of mind--if he had dealt with his shadow self, his abdication of his Jewishness--would he have ended up so betrayed at the end of his life in the very country where his parents had been killed for being Jewish etc...
I did email Dr. Wh asking what he felt about all this but did not receive an answer.
I surely cannot judge a son by his father but I felt uncomfortable. However it sounds like he's a good homeopath for your family, if a bit strict.
I had a cough recently with a cold but the cough was the outstanding horrible feeature, with a terrible tickle, unlike any I'd had. I lurk on a yahoo group for homeopathic professionals and a few of them reported having dealt with this particular cough in their patients this year, and what remedies they used for it. Anyway I figured out to take rumex crispus for it, but only had 30c. I had to take it every 15-20 minuts to have an effect, so I ordered another 50 remedies (which includes rumex) in 200c. This cough is going around and a nurse in my building had it and called it "irrational"--which is a good word, because the cough is so much more extreme than any other symptoms you get and its a dry cough. By the time my order came I had a slight tickle cough left and took 200c and it got much better. Even though it is slightly there still but basically gone. However i also took transfer factor. I would not be comfortable with a homeopath who regarded kefir (with its good bacteria that are not natural to our gut) as okay, but herbs, which are just dried plants, as not. I think it is okay to combine modalities.
Anyway I am glad to hear your family does well with him.
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That's some interesting background, o2....
I'm not seeing this doctor but I think I've read some info about him on the internet. He seemed a bit dogmatic but he may be helpful to some people.
BTW - the Nazis were very interested in homeopathy & natural healing. I'm not making a judgement about it. It just seems to be something they took an interest in.
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woah, now.. i almost know a little too much about him, lol.
brussels, yes, i took a big leap and it paid off. thanks for the info on the different schools of thought. and tracy, hey there.. thanks for the feedback. i remember your posts on homeopathy from long ago. i like the webhomeopath "professional" membership for just that reason. it's easier than fumbling through materia medicas, and you can list very specified symptoms (ie: 25 different nature of cough to choose from) - and go and see the top 30 or so remedies, then click and read the literature on each one, and back to the symptoms list, ect. i use it allot for me.
dr. wh.'s personality conveys genuine caring. he definitely has a stoic edge when it comes to treating with homeopathy, a purist, and it seems he is very effective in that approach.
i had no idea even that his dad was a homeopath. really interesting background there, oxy.
on taking herbs and such for myself; i don't think i'd abandon, but i'm not his patient. i should clarify that he said no to the herbs i asked about, tho i take it that the general idea is nothing aimed to "treat" symptoms, herb-wise.
he is treating dd, and i know stripping all herbals began a swift healing process with the pneumonia, whereas even giving cherry bark to ease her cough drove the infections/viruses deeper.
she is little and i would not use many herbs with her anyway. the results seen over the past couple of years are excellent.
BUT, i'm wary if her gut issues are indeed tbd related. that i do not know yet whether he can handle. won't know for a bit yet.
at the point that i do not believe he can help that i would want to try the aforementioned therapies in this thread, i do have an education in the remedies.
i must read more, take my time to do that.. i'm used to one carefully chosen remedy at a time.
oxy, glad your chronic cough got better. i had a splinter in the throat feeling with cough for which hepar sulph worked well.
and yes, the absence of need in dr. wh.'s opinion for heavy detox herbs, intestinal herbs ext. puzzles me still, especially for older bodies.. but hot water, lemon, mild teas, and mild ayurvedic food/diet detox approaches i believe are deemed fine.
clearly that alone may not fit the bill for detox with photon-remedy treatment, as i see from the thread content. i have not asked doc wh. about what he thinks of this modality. it doesn't mesh with his expertise. i'll approach and see what his thoughts are.
it's not like i haven't gone renegade to treat in the past. hehehe.
anywhoo, i'll just have to keep reading.
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Mo, his father was quite famous, enough to have an entire journal with essays in remembrance after his death.
Anyway, I just thought there were fascinating and obvious contradictions in his life story but nobody seemed to broach it out of what I consider too much respect...
Interesting that even cherry bark negated homeopathy for your daughter.
I will tell you that there is a woman named Maria Sagi, and I read a truly fascinating essay by her in a forthcoming book edited by Ernest Laszlo and I contacted her in Budapest. She sometimes gets the name and potency of a remedy by clairvoyance. Since this has happened to me, too!, I believe it is possible.
She has recommended borrelia nosode to me in a high potency--I inquired if she would work with me.
I'm worried though because, I am so sensitive. But I will keep it in mind.
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do share more, if you are so inclined and you end up working with her.
is her essay available to the public?
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It is in a forthcoming book I received an advance review copy of and then sent on to Truthfinder. It was edited by Ernest Laszlo and has many essays. If she reads this maybe she can post the exact title and publisher as I only remember it had something about Akashic (as in Akashic records) in the title. Lots of interesting essays but hers in particular was fascinating.
But I had such a bad experience formerly with high potencies.
However when I asked on the homeopathy professionals list if anybody had that experience (clairvoyantly receiving remedies and doses) as I have a few times, I was backchanneled--yes. It's not a substitute for the repertory or lots of experience, but it is not to be ignored, either...
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Personally, when conversation turns to treatment with a specific doctor on this board, I think it's best not to mention the name of the doctor, or other information that identifies him. It's just good precautionary practice to protect those trying to help us. It's also a LymeNet rule. Posting about an article and the author of an article is different - no explicit treatment is stated or implied in that instance.
And just so there's no confusion for those who briefly scanned the above posts ..... Doc Wh. IS NOT the doc who came from Germany, changed his name, etc. I don't want anyone to misinterpret what was said, and a quick glance might give the wrong impression.
For Mo..... The book - `The Akashic Experience: Science and the Cosmic Memory Field' - Ervin Laszlo; published by Inner Traditions, Rochester, VT; website is InnerTraditions.com (no ISBN # had been assigned yet). There are about 20 first-hand accounts from various authors of their experiences in The Akashic Field (the world beyond the brain and body).
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Thanks for the additional info, Mo. I'll definitely consider trying the webhomeopath site again. Although, there is now a free downloadable Complete Repertory that just came available - I'm waiting until some of the `bugs' are identified and worked out, but the initial reports from users is encouraging. (http://www.completedynamics.com/ if you are interested....)
Although very popular in the European homeopathic community, heavy detox and `drainage' protocols are considered to be a `fad' and unnecessary by a lot of classical homeopaths here in the USA. They believe that if the correct remedies are chosen, no additional detox is necessary; the detox is part of the action of the proper remedy. And this may explain why the classical approach may take longer than some other homeopathic protocols - time needed for the body to slowly detox and re-balance.
BUT, with the addition of photons..... well, it appears that at the very least, it speeds up all processes. This is definitely a new field of experimentation so I'm not going to jump to any conclusions one way or another. I'll learn here from what people are finding with energetic testing and actual use of photons + homeopathics + detox.
As for herbs, they are `medicines', too, by their very nature. Conventional meds can interfere with homeopathics, so I'm sure certain herbs can, too. Let's not forget that many remedies are made from herbs, and retain many of the same attributes of the herbs.... so if you are taking a remedy that can be antidoted by the remedy Hypericum (St. John's Wort), then perhaps the actual herb could antidote the remedy, also. Both onion and garlic can antidote the remedy Thuja. But onion and garlic don't antidote EVERY remedy..... (so energetic testing of anything else done or taken during treatment is a key element here, methinks). From the perspective of a homeopath, it's much easier to preclude most herbals and other meds rather than try to explain all this to every patient.
Even Dr. W. does this when folks go for Bionic treatment. He wants patients using only what he already knows is beneficial and complementary..... AND he uses energetic testing on every patient. So, perhaps Doc Wh's strict regimen makes good sense. He doesn't want his patients to accidentally sabotage their treatment.
Mo, I've noticed that Doc Wh. sometimes uses the remedies Tick Bite and Lyme Tick for treatment..... I hate to ask this but if the subject of tbds comes up when you talk to him, could you ask him where he gets these remedies? I think he made one himself, but don't know if it was done at a lab or not. Rather than speculate, I'd rather hear it from him. Thanks.
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Thanks for the info Tracy. Interesting about the "fad" idea...
Does classical homeopathy have a way to remedy all of the toxins we come into contact with? I don't know if people were exposed to as many toxins & chemicals when homeopathy originated.
I'm sure there were people involved in dangerous work where they were exposed to things but these days - we are surrounded by thousands of chemicals - not to mention the viruses & pathogens.
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Right--Doc Wh is the son of Christopher Edward...as I think my posts made clear. Interesting heritage but raised questions for me.
Maria Sagi is not treating me--just recommended a high potency nosode. She is all the way in Budapest.
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I'm with Sparkle. I don't think classical homeopathy can deal with ALL the toxic burden we are dealing with today.
That is why other homeopathic currents like Heel exists, I find. They deal MOSTLY with toxicity in a very strong way.
While classical approach can deal with miasms that make us held toxins, I don't feel it is enough. At least, not as fast as I would expect.
-- I guess a more clear picture starts to form in my brain: I start to see the nosode + intense Heel cleaning THROUGH photons as a treatment a bit similar to simple abx or herbs.
They are definitively not classical, not dealing with miasms, just simple remedies to kill and cleanse. With the difference of amazing efficacy and simplicity when compared to the dozens or hundreds of killers and cleansers one has to be on with the normal abx/ herbal approach.
But they are similar in the way that they simply kill and cleanse, like abx, supplements, herbs.
If one wishes to go getting really better, one has to address other things like probably the AI is doing (I'm pretty sure AI deals with antibodies too, not only allergies), with classical homeopathy for miasms, with psychological treatments, neural therapy....
In order to change the whole milieu of disease.
I think photons by themselves help on that too, to address some miasms.
If you guys are interested on neural therapy, just google it. It is a very interesting way and very fast way to treat many of the miasms and deep blockages left from infection or disease, I find.
I am almost 100% convinced one can do neural therapy with procaine homeopathic through photons too. I'm getting amazing results.
No way, the more you go on treatment, the most complex it gets as we need to be treating deeper and deeper,not anymore killing-cleansing only. --
Robin, yes, I had some difficulties with photons as I'm new on them. I didn't quite know how to cleanse, for example. NOw I think I'm getting a pattern. Even though, my liver is always a bit more stressed than while I was on herbs only.
My daughter is still testing for garinii. So I'm giving her 2-4 drops of cats claw a day for that. gotta go
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I also added galium Heel for her, wrong decision. Too strong detox remedy. If you guys go for Heel through photons or IV, I would recommend now:
- nux vomica homaccord - berberis homaccord - add the magic mix of ubichinon + citrokehl + coenzyme compostum for rebuilding enzymes and getting loads of energy through boosting ATP production - probably AFTER then add other remedies like lymphomyosot, hepar comp, solidago comp. Only adding galium compositum at the end.
There are a few articles if one googles about this 'order' to clean.
I also recently added Magnesium phosphoricum from heel too (through photons), in different potencies, it was very relaxing. Plus, now I don't need to ingest any magnesium whatoever.
I only recently got the Systemic drainage from Desbio, this looks to be a very good product too, that can possibly substitute hepar compositum and solidago compositum, if my memory is good.
the berberis hommacord is a very strong remedy by itself (interesting as it kills and cleans). I felt a strong reaction with it.
If you all are not interested in the whole combo, I guess only Ubichinon + citrokehl + coezyme compositum would do wonders already. Combined with photons, this mix is magic!! Loads of energy boosting.
The mere addition of energy to our cells will help on detox, kill, regulate, cell communication. I was only ingesting this mix before, but now through photons, this is even better.
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Another remedy to leave on this thread is Traumeel, a sort of potent antiinflamatory.
I'm still new on this too, let's see. Almost everyone I test, test positive for it too. Maybe because of colds... I don't know.
--- Except for Mucan from Pekana, the other detox homeopathics I bought from Pekana can't compare to the Heel products. Heel is much superior, in my opinion.
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Robin : If you have photons, I don't think you need to rife. If you do you should take great care. In that both of these methods stimulate eletromagnetic reactions of differenct kinds. I worry a little about possible mutations this might cause. Again combining rife with photonic light healing.
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selma, heel remedies only come in dissolvable under-the-tongue tablets, yes?
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this info is dense and i've been reading but not near caught up.
thanks tracy for that description/explanation/essay on the principles of homeopathy and photon work. that helped.
i will ask doc wh. about his tbd remedies, i have not had cause to yet, but now would like to know myself.
brussels, or others.. what is heel? and i gotta look up neural therapy.
daughter has gut issues, son has brain issues. still rough in my house. we will be atarting LENS neurofeedback soon for him.
(which not too many folks here responded to knowing about i guess o.t. for this thread, but LENS is very interesting using tiny frequencies to rewire brain waves, and i'll post on that when we have had time with it)
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Thanks, Sparkle.... I think I may have used the wrong wording..... rather than calling it a `fad', I think the terminology was more like `drainage remedies are all the rage', or something like that. One homeopath implied that these drainage remedies and protocols are only necessary because homeopaths are too lazy or unskilled at finding `the right remedy'. Well, there may be some truth to that. But it could certainly be argued that finding `the right remedy' is no small feat, especially in today's complicated modern society. So, I don't automatically fault current practitioners for seeking new methods to get their patients healthy again.
**''Does classical homeopathy have a way to remedy all of the toxins we come into contact with? I don't know if people were exposed to as many toxins & chemicals when homeopathy originated.''**
Good point, and good question. In my (modern) Repertory, there is an entire chapter dedicated to Toxicity. You will find all kinds of things: Ailments from steroids to ailments from ozone, pesticides, mercury, lead, silicon, Ritalin, narcotics, x-rays..... certainly not everything we encounter in the world but clearly an ongoing database is being created to treat the `toxins' of today.
The best defense, though, is to treat the susceptibility to the toxins. For instance, one prominent contemporary homeopath states that unless you have an active Syphilitic Miasm, you will not have troubles from average exposure to Mercury. It is only when under direct influence of this miasm that you will accumulate Mercury in your body.
This goes back to what bejoy was saying about `allergies to pathogens', or what she calls `negative sensitivities'. When those are present, the immune system doesn't know how to deal with pathogens. I think this all relates to our susceptible state, whether we call it miasms or negative sensitivities - it makes us vulnerable because we can't get rid of the toxin, pathogen, whatever it might be.
And what is the best approach to subduing these `negative sensitivities'? Well, that's what we're all trying to figure out.
So, as an analogy, all the detoxing may be the equivalent of pumping the water out of your basement without fixing the leaks that allow it in there in the first place. And until you fix the leaks, you'd better pump out the water.
Now, don't anybody get mad at me for that! Obviously, if fixing the basement leaks were just a simple feat, we would all do it immediately. But seriously, I DO believe that so much detox is necessary for most of us because of our underlying mistunements as opposed to all the toxins and pathogens we encounter.
Selma, you said: **'' I don't think classical homeopathy can deal with ALL the toxic burden we are dealing with today.''**
Bear in mind that a key element in classical homeopathy - when it comes to chronic illnesses - is finding THE RIGHT REMEDY at any given point. But without that, well..... you and I agree 100%.
I wonder, too, if photons address miasms and susceptibilities on some level, or perhaps photons might make it easier to address these `negative sensitivities'.
I tried Traumeel ages ago with no effect.... but I knew nothing then about what to expect or how to use any homeopathic products. Plus, I was often on conventional medications at the time, and I do think that the longer I can stay away from conventional meds, the more sensitive I am to the effects of homeopathics.
Robin, I think Bob has a point about the rife + photons. I would be hesitant on that one.
Mo, you are welcome. And thank you so much for agreeing to ask about the `Tick Bite' and `Lyme Tick' remedies. I just want to know who makes them. Wish he used one called the `Sickest Tick on the Planet' so it would cover most of the co-infections we encounter. (I'm thinking more along the lines of using it as part of after-the-bite preventative therapy, but it would be an interesting candidate for use with photons, too.)
I have heard of LENS, and I thought at the time that it sounded pretty amazing.....
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(I'm thinking more along the lines of using it as part of after-the-bite preventative therapy, but it would be an interesting candidate for use with photons, too.)
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